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5 Reasons Trump Will Win - Michael Moore

The Thriller said:
The person with the highest votes wins the election.

Whereas, with the electoral college, you may receive the highest number of electoral college votes and still lose if the overall votes are spread out so much that no one candidate can achieve the 280ish necessary votes to win.

If this happens, then the election will be decided by the house.

Which is why, if you abolish this rule I believe it would help a 3rd party candidate.

Right now many won't vote 3rd party because they know that their candidate won't win the necessary votes for the electoral college. However, if they knew that all they had to do was split the vote enough to obtain a simple majority, then I think more might vote 3rd party Candidate.
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Nope

That's a plurality not a simple majority
 
♪alt13 said:
I'm certain that I understand it better than you do. The electoral college was created as a protection from democracy, not to ensure it. good job speaking in circles tho

Third parties can move the 2 parties platform. This has actually happened quite a bit. They can replace one of the parties, crazy rare.

Rather than waste my vote on Trump or Clinton I will vote third party. If enough people join me perhaps the dems move closer to the greens and rep move closer to the libertarians. Or perhaps the 2 parties continue down their current path and are eventually replaced.

Go ahead and waste your vote on the 2 parties that you are so disappointed with.
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From what I understand to win the presidency a candidate needs 270 electoral votes. If lots of people do what you are doing then what could happen is that no candidate gets the 270 votes required to win the presidency.

In that circumstance the house of representatives chooses the president. From what I understand the house is ran by the republican party and they will choose trump.

So you could be right about voting for a third party not be throwing your vote away..... You may actually be voting for trump in a round-about way if you vote 3rd party.

No thanks. #nevertrump
 
Interesting. I think I may be underestimating Trump and his ability to kill it in the Midwest.
 
If Trump won Texas, those 4 Rust Belt states, as well as Indiana (his VP), Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and South Carolina, that's 161 electoral votes right there.
 
Moore expressed this opinion, and upset the audience, on Bill Maher's show last week. He and Maher both emphasized complacency would lead to this result. In the polls, at least, Trump has pulled ahead.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/

This is an interesting stat:

"The poll also reflects a sharpening of the education divide among whites that has been prevalent throughout the campaign. Among white voters with college degrees, Clinton actually gained ground compared with pre-convention results, going from an even 40% to 40% split to a 44% to 39% edge over Trump. That while Trump expanded his lead with white voters who do not hold a college degree from a 51% to 31% lead before the convention to a 62% to 23% lead now."
 
Cunning Linguist said:
If Trump won Texas, those 4 Rust Belt states, as well as Indiana (his VP), Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and South Carolina, that's 161 electoral votes right there.
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He will have to win them as he will likely lose FL, VA, CO and NV. Heck he might even lose UT to 3rd party
 
Stoked said:
He will have to win them as he will likely lose FL, VA, CO and NV. Heck he might even lose UT to 3rd party
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You really think he is going to lose Florida? Don't the Republicans win that every year?

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The GOP is a mess? Please

We have the Tea Party that saved America from economic suicide by crushing debt. We shut down the government an forced the democrats to stop there ever increasing entitlement spending.

Now we have Trump who promises to fix all the problems we have been complaining about.
-healthcare
-border fence
-jobs going to China
-Destroy ISIS

The GOPs job is to clean up all the messes democrats create. How about instead of taxing Detroit out of business they welcome manufacturing back from Mexico with tax cuts? You do not see are companies here in Utah going to Mexico. Did Adobe build in Mexico? Did those huge credit card call centers go to India?

Conservative economics is the only solution an Utah proves it. We are one of the few net exporting states in global trade an we do this with little debt. The liberal states are awash in debt, corruption, poverty an strapped with high taxes.
 
King Cy said:
You really think he is going to lose Florida? Don't the Republicans win that every year?

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Reason I think he loses FL is his terrible numbers with Hispanics (Cubans are a possible exception) and millenials.
 
King Cy said:
Yeah but a lot of Florida is old people, right?

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True but that age group is not nearly as overwhelming for one side as it is among the groups I mentioned before.

I will say that I am astounded at how incredibly poor the left/DNC/Clinton Campaign has been in motivating the strong resentment to him.

Truly a case of two terrible choices.
 
King Cy said:
Bush won it every year though, right? Or am I completely wrong?
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Bush won in 2004 against Kerry. The 2000 election was essentially a tie. Bush was awarded Florida in 2000 over Gore by the Supreme Court which put an end to Gore’s request for a partial recount in four Democratic counties. A full recount was never requested by Gore. The most comprehensive study done after the election concluded that Bush would have won by several hundred votes if the Gore contested counties were recounted, but that a full recount would have given Florida to Gore, again by a few hundred votes out of six million cast. Anyway, sorry for long answer to short question, the point is Florida has been close for four straight presidential elections and will likely be close again in 2016.
 
King Cy said:
Bush won it every year though, right? Or am I completely wrong?

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Jonah said:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Obama won Flordia in 2008 and 2012.
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READ THE ****ING THREAD, YOU ****ING TROLL
CY'S QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY TO OBAMA WINNING THE ****ING STATE IN 2008 AND ****ING 2012
JESUS ****ING CHRIST

;)
 
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