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SweetDollaTea

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How do you see the Jazz's championship chances, no doubt theyre going to be a playoff contender, but with rumors of Chris Paul wanting to go to New York, making another Big 3 of Amare, Melo and Paul, and Dwight wanting to go to the Lakers, not to mention the development of OKC, and the Big 3 in Miami. Do you think they have enough talent to compete against these types of teams?
 
We don't need to worry about Miami at all, since LeBron melts down when the pressure is on. I think New York will end up being solid if CP3 goes there. But how will they stack up against Favors/Hayward/Burks/Kanter in 5 years?

Favors: 22 pts/12 reb/2 blks/2 steals - leading league in FG%
Hayward: 16 pts/8 assts/6 reb/2 steals/1 block - league leading 3 pt %
Burks: 18 pts/5 assts/5 rebs
Kanter: 14 pts/10 rebs/2 blks

Or mix and match those stats. Either way a force to be reckoned with.

Miami in 5 years? 3 failed finals attempts, traded away 2/3 of the "Big 3". LeBron setting up another TV special to announce he is going to New York to try to ride CP3's coattails.
 
LogGrad98 said:
We don't need to worry about Miami at all, since LeBron melts down when the pressure is on. I think New York will end up being solid if CP3 goes there. But how will they stack up against Favors/Hayward/Burks/Kanter in 5 years?

Favors: 22 pts/12 reb/2 blks/2 steals - leading league in FG%
Hayward: 16 pts/8 assts/6 reb/2 steals/1 block - league leading 3 pt %
Burks: 18 pts/5 assts/5 rebs
Kanter: 14 pts/10 rebs/2 blks

Or mix and match those stats. Either way a force to be reckoned with.

Miami in 5 years? 3 failed finals attempts, traded away 2/3 of the "Big 3". LeBron setting up another TV special to announce he is going to New York to try to ride CP3's coattails.
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Things will change drastically by 2016. Not sure how concerend I'd be w/NY since Amare would be 34, Melo 32, and Paul 31 (and those guys aren't exactly iron men now) and NY will have likely moved on to the next wave of stars who will attract buzz but won't help you win anything. Also I think it's highly unlikely Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter are all on the Jazz in 2016 anyway (if they all pan out as hoped, then it will be extremely tough to keep all of them - and if some of them turn out to be busts - then they probably won't be as well). Barring major Jazz trades, I think 2013-14 will a more realistic benchmark to tell if this rebuilding around this core was successful.
 
LogGrad98 said:
We don't need to worry about Miami at all, since LeBron melts down when the pressure is on. I think New York will end up being solid if CP3 goes there. But how will they stack up against Favors/Hayward/Burks/Kanter in 5 years?

Favors: 22 pts/12 reb/2 blks/2 steals - leading league in FG%
Hayward: 16 pts/8 assts/6 reb/2 steals/1 block - league leading 3 pt %
Burks: 18 pts/5 assts/5 rebs
Kanter: 14 pts/10 rebs/2 blks

Or mix and match those stats. Either way a force to be reckoned with.

Miami in 5 years? 3 failed finals attempts, traded away 2/3 of the "Big 3". LeBron setting up another TV special to announce he is going to New York to try to ride CP3's coattails.
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Let's hope you're right. I think Favors is an all-star in the making. And I think Hayward showed he can be a solid wing. As for Burks and Kanter, who knows? Enes certainly seems like he has the right attitude; that's half the battle. And Burks reminds me of Maggette. I'd love to see the Jazz get another wing and for Alec to dominate off the bench, when the Jazz really need someone who can create shots and score (sorry, CJ, that just isn't you).
 
dangerous to write off lebron. he is about to enter just his ninth season. he is 26 years old, he'll turn 27 next month.

MJ won his first title months after his 28th birthday, in his seventh NBA season -- in other words, the most dominant player in NBA history had a point in his career when he, too, had come up empty and was facing questions about his ability to lead a team to a title. like you, i wonder if lebron has the same competitive DNA that jordan had, but it's also important to remember that after MJ came up short three straight years against the pistons, fans of the day were treated to the same "does jordan have what it takes?" dialogue that we hear today about lebron.
 
SweetDollaTea said:
How do you see the Jazz's championship chances, no doubt theyre going to be a playoff contender, but with rumors of Chris Paul wanting to go to New York, making another Big 3 of Amare, Melo and Paul, and Dwight wanting to go to the Lakers, not to mention the development of OKC, and the Big 3 in Miami. Do you think they have enough talent to compete against these types of teams?
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I think it will depend largely on how our young talents develop. I think Jazz should make youth development one of their priority this year and ensure that there is at least a big man coach (ala Ewing, Kareem, Malone) to ensure Favors and Kanter develop properly. We already have Hornacek to look after Hayward and Burks so there's no problems there. So far I think the ceiling of these guys have to be:

Burks - All star starter (ala ROY)
Hayward - All star reserve (ala Reggie Miller lite)
Favors - All star starter (ala Amare)
Kanter - All star reserve (ala Marc Gasol)

If all these guys reach their absolute potential then "yes" I think we'll have a good chance of contending.
 
SweetDollaTea said:
How do you see the Jazz's championship chances, no doubt theyre going to be a playoff contender, but with rumors of Chris Paul wanting to go to New York, making another Big 3 of Amare, Melo and Paul, and Dwight wanting to go to the Lakers, not to mention the development of OKC, and the Big 3 in Miami. Do you think they have enough talent to compete against these types of teams?
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Ask again after we get one more stud player using another team's lottery picks....



....or our own. :p
 
Sorry to be a glass half empty guy but 5 years from now this team will be lucky to get out of the first round of the playoffs (see last 5 years). The CBA didn't go far enough to ensure parity among teams in the league. This franchise will have to keep doing what they have tried to do in the past (and survived on since the '80's) and that is build through the draft. Young superstar talent will still do everything they can do to play for the "big city" teams. As a season ticket holder for the last 15 years, I have had to come to the realization that my time and money is justified by only the simple value I receive out of the entertainment of each specific game and not through the hopes of seeing this team win a championship.
 
LogGrad98 said:
We don't need to worry about Miami at all, since LeBron melts down when the pressure is on. I think New York will end up being solid if CP3 goes there. But how will they stack up against Favors/Hayward/Burks/Kanter in 5 years?

Favors: 22 pts/12 reb/2 blks/2 steals - leading league in FG%
Hayward: 16 pts/8 assts/6 reb/2 steals/1 block - league leading 3 pt %
Burks: 18 pts/5 assts/5 rebs
Kanter: 14 pts/10 rebs/2 blks

Or mix and match those stats. Either way a force to be reckoned with.
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Kanter will never average 2blk, Hayward will never average 8 ast and 6 reb for him is unrealistic expectation. Favors with 22/12/2 is very unlikely as well. In general it is crazy optimistic predictions.
Seeing how many O'Connor's 1 round picks are still with Jazz it is possible neither of them will be playing for us in 5 years.
 
AKMVP said:
Kanter will never average 2blk, Hayward will never average 8 ast and 6 reb for him is unrealistic expectation. Favors with 22/12/2 is very unlikely as well. In general it is crazy optimistic predictions.
Seeing how many O'Connor's 1 round picks are still with Jazz it is possible neither of them will be playing for us in 5 years.
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OK, Mr. negativity....sheesh
 
Chris-L said:
OK, Mr. negativity....sheesh
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It's actually one post I agree with from AKMVP. Not negative, just too unrealistic .. Kanter isn't a shot blocker, Hayward with 8 assists (like, PER game??!?!?), Favors AVERAGING those numbers??

Got no problem questioning any of those numbers.
 
Ok, Haywards assist numbers are high, I'll give ya that. But I think it's way to soon so say Kanter is or isn't anything. The kid is insanely driven and motivated from what I've seen, and the can go a VERY long way. And for Favors, maybe the PPG are a little high but I can see it potentially happening, I'm an optimist, it's my only flaw ;)
 
As far as Miami goes, imo, five years from now, Wade will be a shell of himself and possibly not even in the league. There's a lot of wear and tear on his body ad he's asking for a career ending injury or shortened career.
 
I think we can make a strong playoff run in 3 years. If we trade Jefferson and Harris for Rondo, Kristic (expiring contract), and O'Neal (expiring contract) then we get a great pass first point guard. We have Rondo, Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter as the future starting lineup. Not to mention, we could add Bradley Beal and Michael Gilchrist. Plus we have Millsap so all we have to do is add a veteran center.

PG: Rondo/Burks
SG: Burks/Beal/Hayward
SF: Gilchrist/Hayward/Millsap
PF: Favors/Millsap
C: Kanter/Veteran free agent
 
Chris-L said:
Ok, Haywards assist numbers are high, I'll give ya that. But I think it's way to soon so say Kanter is or isn't anything. The kid is insanely driven and motivated from what I've seen, and the can go a VERY long way. And for Favors, maybe the PPG are a little high but I can see it potentially happening, I'm an optimist, it's my only flaw ;)
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I know Kanter very well. I'm just saying he doesn't even believe in shot-blocking as much as he does denying his man access to the short shot. He uses his body and strength and knows that's his bread and butter over his athleticism. He knows when he leaves his feet his strength is greatly compromised .. he's old school.

By the way, what part of St. George you call home?
 
utahjazz107 said:
I think we can make a strong playoff run in 3 years. If we trade Jefferson and Harris for Rondo, Kristic (expiring contract), and O'Neal (expiring contract) then we get a great pass first point guard. We have Rondo, Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter as the future starting lineup. Not to mention, we could add Bradley Beal and Michael Gilchrist. Plus we have Millsap so all we have to do is add a veteran center.

PG: Rondo/Burks
SG: Burks/Beal/Hayward
SF: Gilchrist/Hayward/Millsap
PF: Favors/Millsap
C: Kanter/Veteran free agent
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From your lips/keyboard to God's ears.
 
PKM said:
I know Kanter very well. I'm just saying he doesn't even believe in shot-blocking as much as he does denying his man access to the short shot. He uses his body and strength and knows that's his bread and butter over his athleticism. He knows when he leaves his feet his strength is greatly compromised .. he's old school.

By the way, what part of St. George you call home?
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I agree with your assessment of what we have seen of Kanter, so far. But I am confident in a few short years of working with the coaching staff at this level that he will he able to adjust. He will add many more weapons to his arsenal. He's just so young, such little experience, can you really blame him? Of course this is all just my opinion, not a big fan of stats and hard truths.

(Bloomington Hills)
 
Chris-L said:
I agree with your assessment of what we have seen of Kanter, so far. But I am confident in a few short years of working with the coaching staff at this level that he will he able to adjust. He will add many more weapons to his arsenal. He's just so young, such little experience, can you really blame him? Of course this is all just my opinion, not a big fan of stats and hard truths.

(Bloomington Hills)
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I have a 2nd home back in Bloomington Hills in an area called The Reserve at Webb Point .. Fort Pierce to Vermillion to Hill Rd .. you know the area?
 
PKM said:
I have a 2nd home back in Bloomington Hills in an area called The Reserve at Webb Point .. Fort Pierce to Vermillion to Hill Rd .. you know the area?
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Very well, I grew up in this area (26yrs now). I'm off sherman rd, just a couple blocks from there. I used to play in the mountains there as a kid before they bulldozed it to build your 2nd home ;)
 
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