a glance back at some older opinions on the conservative movement

[fishonjazz]

Let's also keep in mind that the electoral college worked as intended by not allowing one huge state win (California) to overwhelm several smaller states

The current process gives every electoral vote (a ****load) from California (a huge state) to one candidate. Popular vote would mean that votes from California would get split up and some would go to the repub, some to the dem, and some to other party/independent candidates.

Not every voter in any big state would vote exactly the same.

 

[Boris]

The electoral college is there because of Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey, and some other states with low population numbers realizing that they would not have a significant say in their government if they joined the new union, and because of England and maybe even France having the military numbers to seize the vulnerable little federation piecemeal or whole hog. Even Lincoln saw the whole Union as necessary for world stature and the maintenance of Liberty for the whole.

Second point, the Union consists of States that wanted local control of most issues of their affairs at the outset, and so the Constitution left most matters for State politics. What was intended to be Federal was the common defense of the Union, and strong unified trade powers, and interstate roads and mail.

Third point. When people with global or general causes want to change things, they will work for their goals globally, nationally and locally, and will pretend, momentarily, that the one vulnerable point of change is the legit one.

Please stop trying to educate these stoners on why a strong central government plus strong self (local) government was prudent. [MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] [MENTION=499]LogGrad98[/MENTION] are soldiers for the movement an want to try reinventing the wheel. We will abolish it an go back to The Articles Of Confederation so they can repeate history again.

I bet you none of them even know about The Articles Of Confederation an Americas first government.

 

[fishonjazz]

Please stop trying to educate these stoners on why a strong central government plus strong self (local) government was prudent. [MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] [MENTION=499]LogGrad98[/MENTION] are soldiers for the movement an want to try reinventing the wheel. We will abolish it an go back to The Articles Of Confederation so they can repeate history again.

I bet you none of them even know about The Articles Of Confederation an Americas first government.

Lol

 

[LogGrad98]

The current process gives every electoral vote (a ****load) from California (a huge state) to one candidate. Popular vote would mean that votes from California would get split up and some would go to the repub, some to the dem, and some to other party/independent candidates.

Not every voter in any big state would vote exactly the same.

This is among the changes I would like to see. Either apportion the electoral votes according to the popular vote or use the popular vote period. But Hilary won California by millions of votes. In this case the electoral college did it's job by not allowing that single huge state win to overwhelm a number is smaller states regardless of how the votes are counted.

 

[fishonjazz]

This is among the changes I would like to see. Either apportion the electoral votes according to the popular vote or use the popular vote period. But Hilary won California by millions of votes. In this case the electoral college did it's job by not allowing that single huge state win to overwhelm a number is smaller states regardless of how the votes are counted.

But hilary also got some votes in 49 other states too right? So she didn't win the popular vote because of California. She won it because in the 50 states who voted she got more votes than her opponent.

California doesn't have more voters than the rest of the county combined so that state can't single handedly win anyone an election. Plus people in california voted for non democratic candidates as well.

 

[fishonjazz]

In this case the electoral college did it's job

Also, I heard someone else say that the purpose of the electoral college is so if Americans ever chose a disastrous candidate for president they could step in and save us from ourselves by choosing someone else.

I have no idea if that's true or not but I remember hearing that.

 

[LogGrad98]

But hilary also got some votes in 49 other states too right? So she didn't win the popular vote because of California. She won it because in the 50 states who voted she got more votes than her opponent.

California doesn't have more voters than the rest of the county combined so that state can't single handedly win anyone an election. Plus people in california voted for non democratic candidates as well.

It's not about California having more than the rest of the country. In this case Trump won several states, all added together, by less than a million votes. Hillary won Cali by nearly 3 million, which alone wounds have overwhelmed Donalds victories in 4 or 5 other states. In essence winning cali as big as she did handed her the overall popular vote while if you exclude California the race was much much closer overall.

 

[franklin]

It's not about California having more than the rest of the country. In this case Trump won several states, all added together, by less than a million votes. Hillary won Cali by nearly 3 million, which alone wounds have overwhelmed Donalds victories in 4 or 5 other states. In essence winning cali as big as she did handed her the overall popular vote while if you exclude California the race was much much closer overall.

Paraphrased quote from a New Yorker co-worker yesterday: "If you want California, New York, Texas and Florida to decide every presidential election then get rid of the electoral college. Your vote will no longer mean anything and the high density urban areas will decide for you."