A Moment of Weakness

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Not really. That's why I listed a bunch of different things to try.

And I agree that getting superstars are hard and everyone wants them.

I still think my philosophy that you never stop trying to aquire them is a good one though despite how hard it is.

I think if Exum, hood and favors keep improving, then Hayward will look more like a star. Just look at his improvement this year. He is over 20 ppg, and shooting decently. He is also respected around the league now as a top defensive player.


Also, the jazz are the second best team on the league at defending small forwards. That is in large part due to Hayward.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Yep and Quin's crucified his ***.

Redemption

The Loss to the Clippers was, as you know, painful and frustrating. I have found myself re thinking what I think about the Jazz long term future. One thing we know about The NBA is that you need a Star to win. The Jazz don't have one. Sure, there are a few outliers to this concept: The 04 Pistons somehow won a title without a Tier 1 Star, and you could make a case the Spurs in '14 did it as well, though that team had 3 future hall of famers, a budding Kawhi Leonard, and perhaps the greatest coach ever.

I started watching finals highlight videos and stumbled upon this gem of D Wade in 06. He was a BOSS. A true badass of the highest order. A man who could slay 1000 Vivent Smart Home Crusaders, if necessary. Take a look

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KwpkdDWxw

Anyway, it could me actually kind of bummed. The Jazz just don't have a guy like this, and quite frankly, have never had a guy like this. Don't get me wrong: John and Karl were absolutely incredible, just not in the same way. More incredible in their own way, but they were never able to win a title, perhaps solely because they ran into the greatest player/competitor of all time. Such a bummer because they deserved to win a title, no doubt.

Anyway, I don't want to get too off topic here. History has told us you need a Star to win titles. Most of the time you need a transcendent talent. I hope one day we can get a STUD to lead us to the promised land. I'm not saying I don't think It's possible Quin, G, Faves, Lyles, Exum, Hood, Burks, and Gobert could lead us to a title but it sure is not a blueprint that has generally worked in the past. If they do win a title, they will be the exception to the rule, no doubt.

Thoughts?

Have u ever seen more then YouTube highlights of the greatest duo in NBA history? They were great. Shut the hell up with this crap.

We have the premier defensive big. We have a 20 point scorer in Hayward. I think people forget that this is only hoods second year Favors is a great 2 way player and Exum will be a stud of the highest order. Burks is a killer off the bench, Lyles is the stretch/playmaking 4 we've always wanted. Mack is going to be one of the better back up pg's in the league Neto is the top three point shooting rookie in the league and can create his own shot and started over half the year at pg.

We have a killer three man rotation in Gobert Favors and Lyles. We have a killer rotation of Hayward hood and Burks. We have a killer rotation of Exum Neto and Mack.

What the hell do u want mr rodent. DL is the man and has built one killer of a foundation this team will compete for chips. Just stop posting please!!

 

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Redemption


Have u ever seen more then YouTube highlights of the greatest duo in NBA history? They were great. Shut the hell up with this crap.

We have the premier defensive big. We have a 20 point scorer in Hayward. I think people forget that this is only hoods second year Favors is a great 2 way player and Exum will be a stud of the highest order. Burks is a killer off the bench, Lyles is the stretch/playmaking 4 we've always wanted. Mack is going to be one of the better back up pg's in the league Neto is the top three point shooting rookie in the league and can create his own shot and started over half the year at pg.

We have a killer three man rotation in Gobert Favors and Lyles. We have a killer rotation of Hayward hood and Burks. We have a killer rotation of Exum Neto and Mack.

What the hell do u want mr rodent. DL is the man and has built one killer of a foundation this team will compete for chips. Just stop posting please!!

Dropping thee heat! Good post.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Dropping thee heat! Good post.

And yet negativity on the Jazz runs rampant on this board. I find all too often people want their cake, and they want it now. I know it's hard as fans to be patient, but c'mon people!!! My hell!!

 

[kabenac]

The good news is when it comes to the Pippen (or the second star) I think we're going to be covered. Lyles or Hood could continue to develop and become this.

And who knows? One of them could improve to the point of being a bonafide, legit 1st scoring option. After all, Lyles has improved an amazing amount this season; and Hood has shown flashes of brilliance.

Though I am a bit concerned about Hood's inconsistencies. I feel like Lyles has the ability to be more consistent.

Now, we all know a legit, #1 scoring option is needed. And I'm not talking a player who is going to take the big shot but a player who has the talent needed to be able to score with relative ease. A player the other team has trouble stopping.

I watch a player like Jimmy Butler and just dream - and he's a good defender as well.

We need someone who isn't a chucker and is consistent to be able to score. There aren't a lot of players in the NBA who fit this mold. We've got multiple 'pretty good' players and a few role players but we need a scorer to get over the hump.

DL doesn't like to take risks. And so if we're going to land a star VIA free agency he's going to need to throw a lot of money at him.

Though I do think DL thinks ahead. He plans. The bench needs improvement and there's no doubt that will be addressed and I have faith it will work well. But to get a star is the key. And The Spurs got their stars through the draft. I feel like DL prefers to go that route as well - which is tough since we're not one of the worst teams in the league (though Parker & Manu were steals - maybe not stars but in their primes either could be considered the number-two guys on most teams).

 

[Batman]

That's BS. Malone was definitely someone who could be considered the best player on a championship team.

Was not saying Malone could not be considered best player on a title team. Malone was amazing. I was really just saying we've never had a tier 1 wing. I should have been more clear.

 

[Batman]

Redemption


Have u ever seen more then YouTube highlights of the greatest duo in NBA history? They were great. Shut the hell up with this crap.

We have the premier defensive big. We have a 20 point scorer in Hayward. I think people forget that this is only hoods second year Favors is a great 2 way player and Exum will be a stud of the highest order. Burks is a killer off the bench, Lyles is the stretch/playmaking 4 we've always wanted. Mack is going to be one of the better back up pg's in the league Neto is the top three point shooting rookie in the league and can create his own shot and started over half the year at pg.

We have a killer three man rotation in Gobert Favors and Lyles. We have a killer rotation of Hayward hood and Burks. We have a killer rotation of Exum Neto and Mack.

What the hell do u want mr rodent. DL is the man and has built one killer of a foundation this team will compete for chips. Just stop posting please!!

Thee Jazz Fan, our epic encounters continue. I'm sorry you are not an advocate of the constitution and the 1st amendment. And I'm also sorry I hurt your feelings at some point and so you have an eternal vendetta. I'm also sorry you are a member of the Aryan race but have black hair and a small penis. Haha. (Come on Thee. That was funny)

Anyway, I just want to say I started watching the Jazz in 96-97 season. I was in 3rd grade. I have been a fan ever since. And I think you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough. I already believe Stockton and Malone are the greatest duo ever. They are both top 15 players all time for me. Also, my title is called moment of weakness. I'm human so I have weaknesses, which I guess you don't have so your a robot or an alien. Anyway, I do believe in Lindsey and the process. I believe in the guys on this team. I believe in Exum. I believe in his Makeup. I was really just venting last night. More than any franchise in the League, I believe the Jazz deserve a title.

Also, I wish you wouldn't hold grudges against me because I told you Jeremy Evans was too skinny and not skilled enough to be a an effective 3rd big. I feel as though ever since you realized I was right, a fire of hatred had engulfed your humanity. It's like when you see a post from me a light goes on in your head, the way a light goes in in Dion Waiters head to shoot when he gets the ball, to ruthlessly attack my awesomeness as Batman. I'm Batman. Chill bruh.

 

[Boris]

Rodney Hood is our budding star. He will be a 25-8 guy. What we need is for Hayward to get out his way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The biggest issue to me long term is that I'm not sure favors and Gobert works together long term... It works well enough for us to be good but to be contender worthy we need to be a team the is greater than the sum of its parts. Not sure that duo ever becomes that. I think both will get max dollars or close to it and that is a ton of salary for guys that fit okay but not great.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't believe that you need a volume scorer to win the championship either. I think both hood and Hayward can get shots when they need to... They both need a little seasoning and a little more help.

 

[fishonjazz]

Great post. If we have a better bench and a healthy starting 5, we win over 50 games.

I think if Exum, hood and favors keep improving, then Hayward will look more like a star. Just look at his improvement this year. He is over 20 ppg, and shooting decently. He is also respected around the league now as a top defensive player.


Also, the jazz are the second best team on the league at defending small forwards. That is in large part due to Hayward.

I agree with this. I wasn't being down on the jazz. Hell, I'm a cake baker. I said the jazz could be a top 5ish team. That's pretty good no?

I just think to win the championship it requires a jordan, hakeem, bird, magic, lebron, dirk, duncan, curry 99% of the time. We don't have that guy. I think we should always be looking for ways to acquire that guy.

And it doesn't have to be guys that have won rings but I do think it needs to be a star. Lillard, cp3, karl malone, barkley, the brow... I think those guys are good enough players but need to be surrounded properly.

So to sum it up I think that baking the cake can result in a very very good team that makes some western conference finals.... And tbh I'm ok with that. I had tons of fun with the d will boozer ak memo team. I would love to have that again.
But I think to really win a title we still need a star and to get one we might need to trade one or two of our really good players.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I agree with this. I wasn't being down on the jazz. Hell, I'm a cake baker. I said the jazz could be a top 5ish team. That's pretty good no?

I just think to win the championship it requires a jordan, hakeem, bird, magic, lebron, dirk, duncan, curry 99% of the time. We don't have that guy. I think we should always be looking for ways to acquire that guy.

And it doesn't have to be guys that have won rings but I do think it needs to be a star. Lillard, cp3, karl malone, barkley, the brow... I think those guys are good enough players but need to be surrounded properly.

So to sum it up I think that baking the cake can result in a very very good team that makes some western conference finals.... And tbh I'm ok with that. I had tons of fun with the d will boozer ak memo team. I would love to have that again.
But I think to really win a title we still need a star and to get one we might need to trade one or two of our really good players.

U are sorely underestimating the players on this team. Not one player has hit their celling. I believe Exum is our star. Gobert is a star defensively. It's crazy to think this is Hoods second year, and he's doing what he's doing. Look what Lyles is doing in his rookie season when he gets minutes. Look at what Mack is doing. This team is going to be loaded. This team has a chance to do great things.


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[fishonjazz]

U are sorely underestimating the players on this team. Not one player has hit their celling. I believe Exum is our star. Gobert is a star defensively. It's crazy to think this is Hoods second year, and he's doing what he's doing. Look what Lyles is doing in his rookie season when he gets minutes. Look at what Mack is doing. This team is going to be loaded. This team has a chance to do great things.


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I'm underestimating our players by saying that the current roster could be a top 5 team?
Damn, tough crowd

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I'm underestimating our players by saying that the current roster could be a top 5 team?
Damn, tough crowd

I think he's saying that the star is already on our team. I hope he's right. I'm not yet sure. I would have a very hard time pulling the trigger on a trade because I really like the players we have and I agree with him that none of them have reached their ceilings.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think he's saying that the star is already on our team. I hope he's right. I'm not yet sure. I would have a very hard time pulling the trigger on a trade because I really like the players we have and I agree with him that none of them have reached their ceilings.

I guess I feel like I have to say that the jazz will win all the championships or I'm underestimating this team. Top 5 prediction is pretty lofty for a team that has never made the playoffs imo.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I think a lot of folks on the board underestimate Hayward's defensive abilities.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think a lot of folks on the board underestimate Hayward's defensive abilities.

Probably right

 

[Goodluckchuck]

You have to wonder how many games we would have won had we not had the injuries we had. Exum's injury not included. With missing Gobert, and Favors for as long as we did. Is it too far fetched to think we could have won 8 more games?

The down side to having stars now days is most of them have that "win now" mentality. They want their participation trophy so to speak. No reason to put in hard work if you can Put all stars together to win now. And with that said, no star is going to stay long enough to work hard to win one here. So the only option we have is that one guy blossoms into a star, and we win a couple before he realizes he's a star and bolts .


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[b_line]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to label someone a star and another player not a star. Stardom depends as much on the fit of the players around you as it does your ability.

There are players like jordan and Lebaron that are transcendent, but most of the other guys benefit from who they are surrounded by. Hell, even jordan had pippen and Lebron had wade and bish. These guys don't win titles alone.

I guarantee if we had another player as good as Hayward, they would both be considered stars. Even if favors was healthy for a full season with Hayward they would be considered all stars and probably make the all star team.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to label someone a star and another player not a star. Stardom depends as much on the fit of the players around you as it does your ability.

Not necessarily. I think I can tell that the brow and karl Anthony towns are stars even though their teams suck and they are not surrounded by good players or franchises. same with lillard.