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A poor man's Donovan Mitchell

carolinajazz said:
[QUOTE="Gas, post: 1604545, member: 2298I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but its true that Dunking win championships and gets you in the HOF.
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Im talking about guys who can actually get to the rim and dunk in a game on a regular basis, and who use the dunk to score. Guys who are starters.

The fancyness of the dunk doesnt matter.
 
carolinajazz said:
Glad you pointed out that key category for being a valuable NBA stud player! Best dunkers ALWAYS end up in the HOF and with the most championships Fact of the matter is Irving is by far the better BBall player than Donavan! He's a much better shooter, better defender, better ball handler and smarter court awareness than Donovan. Donovan is good, but has got to improve dramatically in his shot selection and court savy! It will, no doubt, come in time, but not right now!
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Better Defender? Not even close Mitchell is a better defender by a long long way. I'd give you most of the rest, though I'd still take Mitchell over Kyrie and don't think he's by far the better player.
 
Gas said:
I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but its true that Dunking win championships and gets you in the HOF.

These are some of the best dunkers ever.

Michael Jordan -
Lebron James -
Dwayne Wade -
Tim Dunkin - (hahaha get it?)
Kareem -
Magic -
Kobe -
Malone -
Bird -
Wilt -
Shaq -

The list can keep going on. In fact if you notice, all the best were great dunkers. With the exception of only very few like Stockton. Hopping as you like to call it is actually a very useful tool for an NBA player. Dunking is a very high percentage shot that also energizes a team like no othet shot.
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These are some of the best dunkers ever.

Michael Jordan -
Lebron James -
Dwayne Wade - (Not in the top 20)
Tim Dunkin - (Not in the top 50)
Kareem -(Not in the top 75)
Magic - (Not in the top 100! Barely get off the ground!)
Kobe -
Malone -(Not in the top 20)
Bird - (You got to be kiddin! Not in the top 150)
Wilt -
Shaq -
 
Gas said:
Kyrie Irving looks like a smaller, slower, and less powerful Donovan Mitchell. If you Juxtapose them to one another they are actually quite similar in their game. Minus the fact Donovan is a by far better dunker.. Id give Kyrie just a slight edge in handles, but it really isnt that big of a gap.

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Except that Irving is not smaller than Mitchell. Actually, Irving is slightly taller and has a higher standing reach. Mitchell has a much longer wingspan and slightly bigger hands, though. I would say that they are of similar size, but I find it amusing that when a fan loves a player, he even looks bigger for him. lol

Bellow are the draft combine measurements of both players.
Irving Mitchel
height without shoes: 6'1.75'' 6'1.25''
height with shoes 6'3.5'' 6' 3''
weight 191 211.4
wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
body fat 10.2 5.9
hand lenght 8.3 8.5
hand width 9.3 9.5
 
ghsartin said:
Except that Irving is not smaller than Mitchell. Actually, Irving is slightly taller and has a higher standing reach. Mitchell has a much longer wingspan and slightly bigger hands, though. I would say that they are of similar size, but I find it amusing that when a fan loves a player, he even looks bigger for him. lol

Bellow are the draft combine measurements of both players.
Irving Mitchel
height without shoes: 6'1.75'' 6'1.25''
height with shoes 6'3.5'' 6' 3''
weight 191 211.4
wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
body fat 10.2 5.9
hand lenght 8.3 8.5
hand width 9.3 9.5
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He is just bigger all around. So he is bigger.

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Gas said:
I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but its true that Dunking win championships and gets you in the HOF.

These are some of the best dunkers ever.

Michael Jordan -
Lebron James -
Dwayne Wade -
Tim Dunkin - (hahaha get it?)
Kareem -
Magic -
Kobe -
Malone -
Bird -
Wilt -
Shaq -

The list can keep going on. In fact if you notice, all the best were great dunkers. With the exception of only very few like Stockton. Hopping as you like to call it is actually a very useful tool for an NBA player. Dunking is a very high percentage shot that also energizes a team like no othet shot.
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You are replying to a dude that said Kyrie plays better defense than Mitchell. You had so many obvious places to take it and you whip out this gem? This is the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. You literally just listed all the best players ever and because they were able to dunk the ball (which every NBA player can do) you made a correlation between being a great dunker and being a great player.

Larry ****ing Bird is on your list of greatest dunkers ever, What the ****?

How about saying that great athleticism is a valuable tool for an NBA player? Which leads to dunking.

Your response to a troll poster was more dumb than the troll post. Although it was hilarious, so if that was intentional, bravo.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Irving is a much better pull-up shooter. The ironic thing is that Irving is known for his finishing around the rim, but he actually isnt that good at it, he just makes a lot of tough highlight buckets around the rim.
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Kinda like Alec. Well, not really.
 
Kinda wondering how a 6" longer wingspan fits with a 2" lower standing reach. an 8 inch differential seems weird, no? Aren't these both mostly about arm length and tightly correlated?


wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
 
silesian said:
Kinda wondering how a 6" longer wingspan fits with a 2" lower standing reach. an 8 inch differential seems weird, no? Aren't these both mostly about arm length and tightly correlated?


wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
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The average ratio of reach/wingspan is 1.25 (last year draft class)
Spida is 1.18 and Kyrie is 1.30.
 
carolinajazz said:
Glad you pointed out that key category for being a valuable NBA stud player! Best dunkers ALWAYS end up in the HOF and with the most championships Fact of the matter is Irving is by far the better BBall player than Donavan! He's a much better shooter, better defender, better ball handler and smarter court awareness than Donovan. Donovan is good, but has got to improve dramatically in his shot selection and court savy! It will, no doubt, come in time, but not right now!
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I'm a bit surprised you are arguing for someone with tats over someone without tats. I feel like this goes against your long history of arguments.
#shocked
 
silesian said:
Kinda wondering how a 6" longer wingspan fits with a 2" lower standing reach. an 8 inch differential seems weird, no? Aren't these both mostly about arm length and tightly correlated?


wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
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Does seem weird. Probably has something to do with shoulder width.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
I'm a bit surprised you are arguing for someone with tats over someone without tats. I feel like this goes against your long history of arguments.
#shocked
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I don't base how good a ball player is by the number of jailhouse tats he has or doesn't has! It might affect whether or not I root for him and his team, but these days who you gonna root for that DOESN'T HAVE THE TATS?
 
Kyrie might have the best handles of any player of all time. The dude has INSANE handles. Dont underrate that. But I agree with the comparison. Also dont forget that Kyrie wasnt winning **** in cleveland until Lebron showed up. DM is the leader of a team on the rise on the west. That's huge.
 
silesian said:
Kinda wondering how a 6" longer wingspan fits with a 2" lower standing reach. an 8 inch differential seems weird, no? Aren't these both mostly about arm length and tightly correlated?

wingspan 6'4'' 6'10''
standing reach 8'3'' 8'1''
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It might have something to do with the manner in which their shoulders are built, I think; if the joint is built, lets say, more "upwards" or "downwards". Do you know what I mean?
 
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