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A story about prayer

TroutBum said:
Hey... Man.

You didn't miss anything here. Feel free to go back to the Jazz board.

Thanks in advance,

Us.
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I'll let you win this one, simply because your confidence must be shot after being **** on by SiroMar
 
colton said:
Hmm. Bad joke, then.



In other words, you didn't read anything from the link that I provided. But I do appreciate you using source material this time. Again, if you want to have a serious discussion than read the (granted very lengthy) analysis I posted.
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As for the joke's quality or lack thereof, yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man. I'll be sure to use original quotes next time I riff on old timey mormon lore.
As for the link you put up, I saw the title, Do Mormons Believe Adam is God, and as I mentioned earlier I know they don't (anymore) so why bother reading it?
I know, I know, BY was speaking as a man not a prophet, or he said those things but was speaking metaphorically, or maybe he didn't say them at all and someone wrote them down wrong. Once again, It. Was. A. Joke. Sorry it ruffled your feathers.
 
Zombie said:
I know, I know, BY was speaking as a man not a prophet, or he said those things but was speaking metaphorically, or maybe he didn't say them at all and someone wrote them down wrong.
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Not quite my views. See the "Edit" at the bottom of my last post.
 
All jokes aside, I think it's silly for the atheists (and I am an atheist and I agree wholly with the points the atheists are making) to come in and try to say that god did not help his son sleep, that he's wrong, or whatever. Personal experiences are not an appropriated place to debate, in my experience. I can't sit here and tell him that the prayer had nothing to do with it--how can I? I wasn't there. I don't know if the prayer had anything to do with it.

And I want to say, from the bottom of my heart as someone who has done his fair share of babysitting, congratulation on getting that kid to sleep. That's the real story here: the kid's asleep! SWEET JESUS HE'S ASLEEP.

Must have felt great.
 
fallenchicken said:
All jokes aside, I think it's silly for the atheists (and I am an atheist and I agree wholly with the points the atheists are making) to come in and try to say that god did not help his son sleep, that he's wrong, or whatever. Personal experiences are not an appropriated place to debate, in my experience. I can't sit here and tell him that the prayer had nothing to do with it--how can I? I wasn't there. I don't know if the prayer had anything to do with it.

And I want to say, from the bottom of my heart as someone who has done his fair share of babysitting, congratulation on getting that kid to sleep. That's the real story here: the kid's asleep! SWEET JESUS HE'S ASLEEP.

Must have felt great.
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Change it to the religious folk, and doesn't this post sound just as ridiculous?

He posted it in a public forum. Fair game.
 
colton said:
Hmm. Bad joke, then.



In other words, you didn't read anything from the link that I provided. But I do appreciate you using source material this time. Again, if you want to have a serious discussion than read the (granted very lengthy) analysis I posted.

Edit: quick summary of my lengthy analysis: the first quote is very likely to mean that Adam has a special stewardship over us, his posterity, and not that he is identical to Heavenly Father or the one to whom we should pray; and the "same character" mentioned in the second quote is very likely to be talking about Heavenly Father (remember God visited Adam in the garden). Proponents of the Adam-God theory have a huge task to reconcile those two quotes with countless other statements by Brigham Young about the nature of God and the nature of Adam. See for example the 15 points at the very bottom of my analysis.
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This is how I see it, BY the prophet is kind of a nightmare for Mormon historians in that he said quite a lot of stuff that just doesn't jive with present Mormon doctrine. There is a reason Mormon presidents don't have revelations like they used to because it falls to later generations to reinterpret all the embarrassing stuff. You are right, BY talked about Adam and God as two separate entities more than as one. I happen to think he was just hitting the sauce a little hard the day he dropped the gem "He is our father and our God and the only God with whom we have to do" which is pretty damn definitive. He probably felt pressure to come up with new material, JS was a pretty tough act to follow, and some of it just didn't stick.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Let's talk about something important. Does anyone else think that Corey and Topanga got married too young?
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I'm glad you asked kicky. While slightly off topic I think this is easily the most important issue addressed in this thread.

While the characters were young I think we all know the actors playing them were substantially older than represented. Therefore, while it might seem weird "in universe" it generated an appropriate reaction from the target audience who intrinsically "knew" the characters' "real" age. In a behind the scenes sense the decision for Topanga and Corey to get married was probably fueled by the fact that Danielle Fishel was becoming increasingly religious over time, beginning with her insistence that the character be changed from a hippie into a good girl and ultimately culminating in some really messagy plotlines.

Thanks for bringing back those great memories of Topanga. I'll be in my bunk.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm glad you asked kicky. While slightly off topic I think this is easily the most important issue addressed in this thread.

While the characters were young I think we all know the actors playing them were substantially older than represented. Therefore, while it might seem weird "in universe" it generated an appropriate reaction from the target audience who intrinsically "knew" the characters' "real" age. In a behind the scenes sense the decision for Topanga and Corey to get married was probably fueled by the fact that Danielle Fishel was becoming increasingly religious over time, beginning with her insistence that the character be changed from a hippie into a good girl and ultimately culminating in some really messagy plotlines.

Thanks for bringing back those great memories of Topanga. I'll be in my bunk.
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I would have disappointed her so hard...
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm glad you asked kicky. While slightly off topic I think this is easily the most important issue addressed in this thread.

While the characters were young I think we all know the actors playing them were substantially older than represented. Therefore, while it might seem weird "in universe" it generated an appropriate reaction from the target audience who intrinsically "knew" the characters' "real" age. In a behind the scenes sense the decision for Topanga and Corey to get married was probably fueled by the fact that Danielle Fishel was becoming increasingly religious over time, beginning with her insistence that the character be changed from a hippie into a good girl and ultimately culminating in some really messagy plotlines.

Thanks for bringing back those great memories of Topanga. I'll be in my bunk.
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What is it that they say about people who talk to, and quote themselves? Does the fact that they may have lived near The Bay Area for a period of time contribute, or negate this characterization?

Jazzfanz: Discuss.
 
That's not true. I noticed your currently atheist bent earlier today and was piqued by it. It's interesting watching the back and forth within you. :)
 
franklin said:
There were a lot of meaningful posts on both sides of the fence inside, and even the middle--I don't recall any of yours.
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You tell me what you'd rather talk about?

Option 1:

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Option 2:

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I know which one I'm picking every time.
 
I just don't get why people have such animosity towards something. Maybe it's because if they make something look evil or bad and beat at it, it may take away from feelings that they once had? Don't know.
 
colton said:
Hmm. Bad joke, then.



In other words, you didn't read anything from the link that I provided. But I do appreciate you using source material this time. Again, if you want to have a serious discussion than read the (granted very lengthy) analysis I posted.

Edit: quick summary of my lengthy analysis: the first quote is very likely to mean that Adam has a special stewardship over us, his posterity, and not that he is identical to Heavenly Father or the one to whom we should pray; and the "same character" mentioned in the second quote is very likely to be talking about Heavenly Father (remember God visited Adam in the garden). Proponents of the Adam-God theory have a huge task to reconcile those two quotes with countless other statements by Brigham Young about the nature of God and the nature of Adam. See for example the 15 points at the very bottom of my analysis.
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And you're one of the guys teaching our children? Oh, the huge manatee!

Darkwing Duck said:
Change it to the religious folk, and doesn't this post sound just as ridiculous?

He posted it in a public forum. Fair game.
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Translation: "I'm a prick."
 
Atheists are a lot of times really arrogant. If we combine all knowledge that mankind collectively knows it will be far less then 1% of total knowledge possible. In the over 99% that mankind does not know there could be something that flips our whole worldview. For this reason, I try my best not to look down on other religions, even radically really different ones from mine like Hinduism. I even acknowledge that I may be wrong and they may be right. I don't think so, otherwise I would be a Hindu or w/e, but it is still possible. Atheists claim moreso then any religion to have a monopoly on truth and claim to be the one true worldview (not all atheists, but most of the ones that are vocal online at least).

No one alive has not seen the other side of death by definition. We don't know what happens after death. I admnit that an afterlife is an act of faith on my part. However the atheist claims to KNOW that there is no afterlife. I ask atheists what type of evidence would they require for an afterlife? People to come back alive and testify in court?

One of the world's most famous atheist who is a neuroscientist alive today named Sam Harris even acknowledges this.

"Science is not in principle committed to the idea that there’s no afterlife or that the mind is identical to the brain" - Sam Harris
 
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