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A trade is brewing...

spycam1 said:
I'm down or trading anyone if it gets us Wiggins or something. But people in this thread are talking about trading half our core for...Randle?
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I agree, that absurd. Wiggins is ours because we'll win the lotto. Tuesday will just confirm that.

I'd like to see the Jazz get aggressive and get another lotto pick. If that's from the Lakers then great. If that from someone else then great. Depending on how high will depend on who is available.

If the Jazz trade Burke, Kanter and a pick to get Randle I'd be upset. That's because I believe that Kanter will be better than Randle.

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I see a lot of Burke being thrown out there. I'm note even close to being willing to giving up on Burke or getting rid of him at this point especially when what you get in return is not anything guaranteed to be any better.
 
Triangle Man said:
I see a lot of Burke being thrown out there. I'm note even close to being willing to giving up on Burke or getting rid of him at this point especially when what you get in return is not anything guaranteed to be any better.
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It's not hard to replace a PG that is undersized and doesn't play defense.

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orangello said:
It's not hard to replace a PG that is undersized and doesn't play defense.

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Who on the Jazz play defense if you want to go about it that way... trash the whole team, start from scratch. They all suck like a Hoover and will never get any better. A witch that weighs the same as a duck... burn her!
 
Triangle Man said:
Who on the Jazz play defense if you want to go about it that way... trash the whole team, start from scratch. They all suck like a Hoover and will never get any better. A witch that weighs the same as a duck... burn her!
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Yea, no one played great defense, not even Favors.

So let's talk about undersized then. Is Hayward undersized for a SG/SF? Is Burks undersized for a SG? Is Favors undersized for a PF? Is Kanter undersized for a C? Is Burke undersized for a PG?

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Burke is the same size as Chris Paul was when he came in the league. I'm not concerned about his size. I'm concerned about his abilities. I'm also concerned about his fit: you can't have him, Hay, and Burks on the floor at the same time unless you want to surrender a helluva lot of points.
 
orangello said:
Yea, no one played great defense, not even Favors.

So let's talk about undersized then. Is Hayward undersized for a SG/SF? Is Burks undersized for a SG? Is Favors undersized for a PF? Is Kanter undersized for a C? Is Burke undersized for a PG?

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Teague 6-2
Rondo 6-1
Williams 6-3
Walker 6-1
Augustin 6-0
Irving 6-3
Calderon 6-3
Lawson 5-11
Jennings 6-1
Curry 6-3
Beverly 6-1
Hill 6-2
Paul 6-0
Marshall 6-4
Conley 6-1
Chalmers 6-2
Knight 6-3
Rubio 6-4
Roberts 6-1
Felton 6-1
Westbrook 6-3
Nelson 6-0
Carter-Williams 6-6
Dragic 6-3
Lillard 6-3
Thomas 5-9
Parker 6-2
Lowry 6-0
Burke 6-1
Wall 6-4


I'm not convinced he's undersized.

If you're saying he sucks defensively that's something different I would have to look at.

Still not ready to give up on Burke. Do you have another reason? If we got rid of him for someone clearly better I'm game, but to do so for someone even less proven than he is, no thank you.
 
Triangle Man said:
Teague6-2
Rondo6-1
Williams6-3
Walker6-1
Augustin6-0
Irving6-3
Calderon6-3
Lawson5-11
Jennings6-1
Curry6-3
Beverly6-1
Hill6-2
Paul6-0
Marshall6-4
Conley6-1
Chalmers6-2
Knight6-3
Rubio6-4
Roberts6-1
Felton6-1
Westbrook6-3
Nelson6-0
Carter-Williams6-6
Dragic6-3
Lillard6-3
Thomas5-9
Parker6-2
Lowry6-0
Burke6-1
Wall6-4


I'm not convinced he's undersized.

Still not ready to give up on Burke. Do you have another reason? If we got rid of him for someone clearly better I'm game, but to do so for someone even less proven than he is, no thank you.
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Define clearly better.

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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];826765 said:
Burke is the same size as Chris Paul was when he came in the league. I'm not concerned about his size. I'm concerned about his abilities. I'm also concerned about his fit: you can't have him, Hay, and Burks on the floor at the same time unless you want to surrender a helluva lot of points.
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Chris Paul is special. He's got elite news is just about every ability.

What is Burke's elite ability?

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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];826765 said:
Burke is the same size as Chris Paul was when he came in the league. I'm not concerned about his size. I'm concerned about his abilities. I'm also concerned about his fit: you can't have him, Hay, and Burks on the floor at the same time unless you want to surrender a helluva lot of points.
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I am worried about his defense, but clearly I am and should be worried about the defense of everyone on the team. Favors included based on our team defense last year even if he's the best of the bunch.
 
orangello said:
Chris Paul is special. He's got elite news is just about every ability.

What is Burke's elite ability?

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I think he sees the half-court better than the vast majority of PGs. He's able to see, in advance, where he needs to get to. He's still developing all the moves he needs to get there, and I think he'll get there.

My problem is on defense. I never saw him take away very much from any ball handler.
 
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I think he sees the half-court better than the vast majority of PGs. He's able to see, in advance, where he needs to get to. He's still developing all the moves he needs to get there, and I think he'll get there.

My problem is on defense. I never saw him take away very much from any ball handler.
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I'm also concerned about his playing tempo. If what he said was true, he was the main reason the team barley pushed the ball.

Every other player in the "core" would thrive dramatically in an up tempo system.

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Team defense is different than individual defense. Our team defense sucked which makes individual defense look even worse. Plus when you are a forward or center you look even worse defensively when the guards aren't doing their jobs.
 
Doublea said:
Team defense is different than individual defense. Our team defense sucked which makes individual defense look even worse. Plus when you are a forward or center you look even worse defensively when the guards aren't doing their jobs.
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Could that explain Kanter's defense?

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