A win for the Central Bank and it's puppet Obama

[franklin]

My husband thinks they should have replaced Franklin since he wasn't even a president, I disagreed.

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I missed this post before writing mine. If anyone deserves to be on a note it is Ben Franklin. I erred in my post in that I would not replace Hamilton either.

My opinion is that historical icons like Tubman, national symbols, and events should be put on collectible coins like Betsy Ross, Susan B. Anthony, Sacagawea, Statue of Liberty, & the Peace Dollar.

I disagree with Tubman being put on paper currency for several reasons. First and foremost, it's similar to when the State of Utah tried to get rid of either Veterans Day or MLK day for state employees. Both of those are as untouchable as Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving. I don't think something should be off limits solely for political posturing reasons. I also don't think putting someone on currency who has nothing to do with that aspect of our world is honoring them in any way at all. Go build a monument, or mint specialty coins that can be sold at a profit with all proceeds going to some cause Harriet Tubman may have deemed worthy.

 

[franklin]

One final point: I want to purchase a copy of the pseudohistory novel The Creature from Jekyll Island for every poster on Jazzfanz so we can get a few more like Jamezz and [MENTION=643]Jazz Spazz[/MENTION], and Trout's "we ain't nevva lannid on teh moon".

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I missed this post before writing mine. If anyone deserves to be on a note it is Ben Franklin. I erred in my post in that I would not replace Hamilton either.

My opinion is that historical icons like Tubman, national symbols, and events should be put on collectible coins like Betsy Ross, Susan B. Anthony, Sacagawea, Statue of Liberty, & the Peace Dollar.

I disagree with Tubman being put on paper currency for several reasons. First and foremost, it's similar to when the State of Utah tried to get rid of either Veterans Day or MLK day for state employees. Both of those are as untouchable as Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving. I don't think something should be off limits solely for political posturing reasons. I also don't think putting someone on currency who has nothing to do with that aspect of our world is honoring them in any way at all. Go build a monument, or mint specialty coins that can be sold at a profit with all proceeds going to some cause Harriet Tubman may have deemed worthy.

The US is a country in which 50% of the population is female, and a further significant percentage are black. What in the hell is wrong with including women and blacks in the prominent symbols of our country, such as the currency? I would think that creating national symbols that represent the diverse groups of our country, as opposed to one group only, should be something everyone could agree to. Should it not?

 

[Gameface]

The US is a country in which 50% of the population is female, and a further significant percentage are black. What in the hell is wrong with including women and blacks in the prominent symbols of our country, such as the currency? I would think that creating national symbols that represent the diverse groups of our country, as opposed to one group only, should be something everyone could agree to. Should it not?

And if we use a black woman we kill two birds with one stone. That's good 'ol fashion American efficiency right there!

 

[Jazz Spazz]

One final point: I want to purchase a copy of the pseudohistory novel The Creature from Jekyll Island for every poster on Jazzfanz so we can get a few more like Jamezz and [MENTION=643]Jazz Spazz[/MENTION], and Trout's "we ain't nevva lannid on teh moon".

Please do. In return I want to send a copy of the self help book The Little Book on Big Egos for every poster on Jazzfanz so we all know how to best handle posts like this one.

 

[NAOS]

Please do. In return I want to send a copy of the self help book The Little Book on Big Egos for every poster on Jazzfanz so we all know how to best handle posts like this one.

will you send me a copy of How to Apply the Lessons of the Bishoprick to Internet Forums? And, since you'll already be going to the post office, can you also send Why Can't My Silly Good Mood Be Immune To Different Values?. tia

 

[RandyForRubio]

We could have Kobe Bryant on a bill and I probably wouldn't even notice. Do people really take that much time to look at the faces on the bill? And honestly, who cares? There are way more important things to worry about.

 

[RandyForRubio]

NAOS is killing me in this thread.

 

[franklin]

The US is a country in which 50% of the population is female, and a further significant percentage are black. What in the hell is wrong with including women and blacks in the prominent symbols of our country, such as the currency? I would think that creating national symbols that represent the diverse groups of our country, as opposed to one group only, should be something everyone could agree to. Should it not?

WHAT IN THE HELL MAN? WHAT.IN.THE.HELL!

You sound really worked up over a useless display of emotion. Maybe next we could lower the flags to half mast every single day over any excuse we can dig up.

Look, I believe the faces on our main currency should be people THAT ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO ****ING DO WITH OUR MAIN CURRENCY.

That and people who worship our medium of exchange like it is actually real wealth are retarded. It means nothing; the faces should be reserved for those who created a system with it that has propelled the world out of endless poverty.

BUT OH MY GOD THERE IS DIVERSITY IN MURRICA THERE IS OTHER PEOPLE IT'S A STATUS SYMBOL LET'S WORSHIP DOLLAR BILLS AND STUFF BLACK PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE ON THERE TOO!!!!111!11!!!

**** off. Go create a special coin and do some feel good project with the proceeds.

That's basically my view, but hey, if you need diversity on a worthless piece of script then go right on ahead, I really don't give a damn.

 

[franklin]

Please do. In return I want to send a copy of the self help book The Little Book on Big Egos for every poster on Jazzfanz so we all know how to best handle posts like this one.

So frothy. How was your cup of vinegar this morning? Did you put an extra dose of viper venom in it today?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

So frothy. How was your cup of vinegar this morning? Did you put an extra dose of viper venom in it today?

So you don't appreciate riposte? I figured you'd take it better.

 

[franklin]

So you don't appreciate riposte? I figured you'd take it better.

As did I. I wouldn't have tagged you for an insult

 

[Jazz Spazz]

will you send me a copy of How to Apply the Lessons of the Bishoprick to Internet Forums? And, since you'll already be going to the post office, can you also send Why Can't My Silly Good Mood Be Immune To Different Values?. tia

Oh, hi NAOS. And how are you today?

As to the books you requested, I couldn't find either of those books. Are they kindle only, or wattpad or something? Please send me a link. I also won't be going to the post office as I have found superior methods of shipping in this, the 21st century. If you forgot the names of the books you were thinking of, I know some librarians that love to help people find good books and I will pass on your information to them if you desire. Good luck in your search.

Regards

~Spazz

 

[Jazz Spazz]

As did I. I wouldn't have tagged you for an insult

I looked at the content of this thread, saw I was lumped in with trout and jamezz, and saw the tone of the post. I was giving the odds of an insult at 99%.

I apologize if I responded to an insult that was not intended.

 

[franklin]

I looked at the content of this thread, saw I was lumped in with trout and jamezz, and saw the tone of the post. I was giving the odds of an insult at 99%.

I apologize if I responded to an insult that was not intended.

No worries. I laughed at your post. Do you want a rep in place of an internet man hug?


*Edit* Oh crap, I did lump you in with trout and Jamezz. I understand the insult now.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

No worries. I laughed at your post. Do you want a rep in place of an internet man hug?


*Edit* Oh crap, I did lump you in with trout and Jamezz. I understand the insult now.

Na I don't need rep. Internet man hugs are just fine. heh

 

[♪alt13]

I'm a bit hesitant to jump aboard the genocide bandwagon here. In this sense, Jackson was a product of his times. While there were people at the time with more enlightened views on Indian affairs, they were probably relatively few and not in positions to affect policy. The overall treatment of Natives by the US government from colonization to the end of the Indian wars was shameful, but, in my reading of history, not unexpected, and most people were complicit in it.

Grant, for example, pursued a fairly punitive policy against the Natives. During the Revolutionary war, Washington dispatched General Sullivan to the NorthEast where he essentially did to the Iroquois what Sherman did to the South during the Civil War.

While I do think that the argument that we can't judge people in different historical epochs by our current standards is often a copout to excuse bad behavior, I do, however, think it has validity, as far as it goes.

I am disturbed by the push by some on the left to, essentially, erase all images and symbols of morally conflicted 'great' men and women, most of whom were as well products of their times. I'm not sure where the line is, but I do think that all of the 'genocide' rhetoric now popular about Jackson as probably crossed the line. He was far, far from unique and was much more the rule than the exception for people of his time.

1)My understanding of Jackson is that he was considered brutal even in his day.

2)Indian removal was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn't have a Declaration of Independence on his resume.

3)It's not about him. He's gone. It's about us. I think who we celebrate or condemn can shape us. Why should we celebrate Jackson? Can we justify doing that even if we view him as a conflicted character; I don't think so.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

WHAT IN THE HELL MAN? WHAT.IN.THE.HELL!

You sound really worked up over a useless display of emotion. Maybe next we could lower the flags to half mast every single day over any excuse we can dig up.

Look, I believe the faces on our main currency should be people THAT ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO ****ING DO WITH OUR MAIN CURRENCY.

That and people who worship our medium of exchange like it is actually real wealth are retarded. It means nothing; the faces should be reserved for those who created a system with it that has propelled the world out of endless poverty.

BUT OH MY GOD THERE IS DIVERSITY IN MURRICA THERE IS OTHER PEOPLE IT'S A STATUS SYMBOL LET'S WORSHIP DOLLAR BILLS AND STUFF BLACK PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE ON THERE TOO!!!!111!11!!!

**** off. Go create a special coin and do some feel good project with the proceeds.

That's basically my view, but hey, if you need diversity on a worthless piece of script then go right on ahead, I really don't give a damn.

I don't think 'being worked up' means what you think it means.

From where I sit, you seem to have invested a lot more emotion into this topic than I have, what with all of the UPPER CASE WORDS and all.

 

[moevillini]

Jamezz, you do realize the Federal Reserve has nothing to do with printing our currency? It's a department of the US Treasury.


On a side note, I find it shameful that the guy who nearly collapsed the United States all together out of his extreme paranoia issues is put on any status symbol for this country. If I had it my way, I'd replace nearly every president on a bill with the face of Ben Bernanke, Paul Krugman, and the likes. I also want Bernanke put on Mount Rushmore. He is a the greatest American since Abraham Lincoln.

The Federal Reserve System is the greatest democratic invention ever. It rivals the Bill of Rights, and Mr. Bernanke (and those giving economic input like Mr. Krugman) utilized it to perfection during the great recession.

personally, I'd think the Disney Princesses should be the faces on U.S. currency

 

[babe]

Kiddies, Kiddies. . . . .Please

mind your manners.

One of my best childhood memories is the good times with pancakes. I forget the names, but not the faces. The face of Aunt Jemima was wonderful, looked like my own ma. I could really trust the stuff to be good. Whoever says there's any bad connotations to it is a person more ideological and indoctrinated in nonsense than I'd like to share to meal with. Got it?

Franklin has lost his good sense somewhere with his fascination in the marvels of fiat currency. Pretty soon we'll have negative interest rates, and cash will be outlawed. We gotta go digital on all accounts. You'll have to spend whatever digital credits you have if you don't want to pay a fee for possessing them. And gold, silver will go down to values that reflect the cost of production in third-world countries where they pay slave wages to drivers of big equipment, and pay the equivalent of $0.50 a gallon for diesel fuel. lessee, that'll be about six dollars an ounce for silver, and $400 dollars an ounce for gold. Fiat currency isn't gonna fix the worldwide cyclical economic downturn that will take a California house down 70% in it's value, and the only way our banks will stay afloat is by our Congress and President enabling them to "nationalize" our savings and retirement funds.

Andrew Jackson was a hero of the war of 1812 with the British, and he was right about the Central Bank crooks. The Cherokees were British allies during both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, and so were the Iroquois and other natives of the Northwest Territories. The British didn't give a damn about their allies, and ceded their lands to the Colonial rebels, fully expecting to return and reclaim the colonies, and wanting to stir up the enmity between the natives and the colonists.

It's true that the Supreme Court found for the Cherokee claims to their lands, but there was gold in them thar hills and the Americans, never forgetting wartime atrocities and having to fight on all fronts during the wars, had no love for the Cherokees. If Jackson had loved the Cherokees as his own kin, it would have been political suicide to restrain the eager gold rushers crowding into Cherokee lands.

I say we stick to real leaders of the nation for our currency..... people who at some point in time made a difference nationally, people who in some way brought us together as a nation. People who still, today, have overwhelming positives in the national identity.

For me, that's Wasington, Lincoln, JFK, Franklin, and Jackson...... others of course. But nobody can deny Jackson's popularity in his day.

Trail of Tears is a national tragedy. Gold had more to do with it than Jackson. True, Jackson defied the US Supreme Court taunting the court that they had made a decision, so now let them enforce it, but he was with 90% of the American populace. uhhhmmm. . .. White, voting populace of that day. . . . Jackson couldn't do anything else, any more than Trump could decree Social Security defunct and stop sending the checks.

I guess, really, I hate to see everything past turned into some kind of political cause in retrospect. We got problems enough out in front of us.