Either that, or we can get Vonleh, the guy who looks like Marvin Williams.
Aaron Gordon, a No. 5 Pick?
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Either that, or we can get Vonleh, the guy who looks like Marvin Williams.
I would pick Marcus Smart over Aaron Gordon but I don't love Marcus Smart. And I really don't love Julius Randle, but I'd pick him over Aaron Gordon as well. I have Aaron Gordon in the tier of Dario Saric and Doug McDermott (players that could be pretty damn good, or could be easily be mere rotation players because of significant limitations).
If the Jazz draft him, I'll shut up and hope for the best.
The thing with Aaron Gordon I find funny is, either people really love him or they really hate him, there is no in between.
And there's nothing wrong with any of this, just as there's nothing wrong with anybody thinking differently.
You asked questions, people answered them, and you behaved like a jackass. Nobody knows how good any of these players will be, but when you ask questions and people do their best to answer them there's no reason to treat them like **** for doing so. You don't have to accept their answers, but don't patronize them for attempting to provide you with some.
Doublea
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He's slowly growing on me, but to be honest I would be fine with any of the 4 players in our range. It's going to be funny when one of the top 4 falls or we just trade out. Then all of this will have been for nothing
False.
I'm on some of that in-between as well tbh
He doesn't have what I'd call impressive size, weight, or strength for a 4 and he doesn't have what I'd call impressive skill level at either position. So, yeah.
6'8 220 is impressive for a small forward.
Jazz4ever
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Well not quite what I was talking about, he had no one in front of him he had to navigate through.
Like almost all NBA-level talent, it's all about context. At 10, and/or for a team that doesn't need a significant offensive cog, he's probably a steal. But that's not at all where the Jazz sit.
Is he a small forward? What position does he play in the NBA?
The truth lies VERY much in between the two hyperbolic arguments put forth in the last few pages of this thread.
Numb is very right, IMO, in the fact that AG's upside and potential are what you'd be drafting him on at #5. He is a very good athlete, has huge defensive potential and seems to have a fantistic feel for the game/BBIQ. BUT, his lack of mid range game (27% on 2 PT jumpers.....), ability to create his own shot and free throw shooting are hard to ignore. SO, if you draft him this high, you're BETTING (you DO NOT know) that you can fix those. If you can, the kids ceiling is through the roof.
Is he better than Jeremy Evans now? Of course he is.
Numb is very right, IMO, in the fact that AG's upside and potential are what you'd be drafting him on at #5. He is a very good athlete, has huge defensive potential and seems to have a fantistic feel for the game/BBIQ. BUT, his lack of mid range game (27% on 2 PT jumpers.....), ability to create his own shot and free throw shooting are hard to ignore. SO, if you draft him this high, you're BETTING (you DO NOT know) that you can fix those. If you can, the kids ceiling is through the roof.
Is he better than Jeremy Evans now? Of course he is.
da ThRONe
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If he can attack off the dribble then he isn't completely inept at "creating his on shot". Also even if he does nothing more than become a 3rd ball handler, lock down defender, and slasher that he is a quality pick.
Being able to effectively attack off the dribble isn't a wildly common trait.
Sincere question, how much have you seen of Gordon? Just DX vids? First 6 mins?
The Thriller
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Last year was a rebuilding year?
Wow. What a ****ty rebuild. Start 2 vets for most of the year, no experimentation with lineups, and a fired head coach.
Sexual Favors
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Have about 4 pages of this still to read, but having read the page snce my last post, I can see The Thriller & Numberica on their usual **** about needing and wanting someone in the top 3.
****ing Duh! That is what everyone wants, but if it doesn't happen... A. Gordon has an incredible amount of upside, has a very well rounded skill set, and an improving shooting touch. His game is more complete than Wiggins (wiggins better in iso, but is still project. Better shooter, but isn't great),with his far better handles and court vision, etc. if he made his FT's, he'd be in discussions for no. 1 pick, because of the rest of the game paired w/ his upside.
J. Evans comparisons have already been discussed a thousand times here. Honestly, they were never worthy of a response in the first place. Watch the kid play, then come with some intelligent things to discuss, or just stop... Ignorance isn't intelligence.
The way I see the other options at 5 if consensus top 4 are gone:
Randle: doesn't measure right. Not nearly athletic as advertised in HS. Handles and 3 pt shot were an illusion. Doesn't defend, and w/ his measureables and lack of athleticism, probably never will be able to. His bully ball offense won't be nearly as effective in pros, and rebounds will be harder to come by. He might be hungry, but I don't want him eating at my table at the expense of the more promisung Kanter, Favors & Gobert trio.
Vonleh: project, project, project. Great size, hands, and decent athleticism. Not a shot blocker, and takes some plays off on D, but has promise on D. Has a nice shooter's touch, but his release is a little slow and low. Movements looks slow and robotic, and he is not a passer at all. Question his BBIQ. Body, shot range, and rebounding are for real (still kind of question shot because of sample size and release), but yet he hasn't looked truly dominant yet in his career. Definitely will take sometime to be real contributor, and if you are wrong about him, you've gone and messed w/ your already developing front court.
Smart: great size and D. Gets to th rack, and plays w/ pace. Those are characteristics that would help the team. Plays w/ a mean streak, and also racks up the steals. Still struggling w/ PnR and court vision, so I am hesitant to say he is for us when I think about iur bigs that would be reliant on him for the ball.
****ing Duh! That is what everyone wants, but if it doesn't happen... A. Gordon has an incredible amount of upside, has a very well rounded skill set, and an improving shooting touch. His game is more complete than Wiggins (wiggins better in iso, but is still project. Better shooter, but isn't great),with his far better handles and court vision, etc. if he made his FT's, he'd be in discussions for no. 1 pick, because of the rest of the game paired w/ his upside.
J. Evans comparisons have already been discussed a thousand times here. Honestly, they were never worthy of a response in the first place. Watch the kid play, then come with some intelligent things to discuss, or just stop... Ignorance isn't intelligence.
The way I see the other options at 5 if consensus top 4 are gone:
Randle: doesn't measure right. Not nearly athletic as advertised in HS. Handles and 3 pt shot were an illusion. Doesn't defend, and w/ his measureables and lack of athleticism, probably never will be able to. His bully ball offense won't be nearly as effective in pros, and rebounds will be harder to come by. He might be hungry, but I don't want him eating at my table at the expense of the more promisung Kanter, Favors & Gobert trio.
Vonleh: project, project, project. Great size, hands, and decent athleticism. Not a shot blocker, and takes some plays off on D, but has promise on D. Has a nice shooter's touch, but his release is a little slow and low. Movements looks slow and robotic, and he is not a passer at all. Question his BBIQ. Body, shot range, and rebounding are for real (still kind of question shot because of sample size and release), but yet he hasn't looked truly dominant yet in his career. Definitely will take sometime to be real contributor, and if you are wrong about him, you've gone and messed w/ your already developing front court.
Smart: great size and D. Gets to th rack, and plays w/ pace. Those are characteristics that would help the team. Plays w/ a mean streak, and also racks up the steals. Still struggling w/ PnR and court vision, so I am hesitant to say he is for us when I think about iur bigs that would be reliant on him for the ball.