AK Sucks in Olympics Operner Vs. GB -- only scores 35

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Your point is a misinterpretation. AK's strength was as a team player. That's what he always has been, playing for the good of the Jazz and his Russian teams, for the win. You ever see AK take it on his own on a break -- no he always passes off to the player with the easiest shot. AK's strength is as a facilitator, making the other guys better. That's why he had such great +/- stats over the years, why he was the first or second most important player on the Jazz during the best of Deron's years, 2008-2010. Another boardmember posted the stat. He was number 2 in 2008 and 2010, and number 1 in 2009, and those were his bad years, that everyone talks about on here.

That was why I liked him as a player; he played for the team. But he got taken out of the offense and couldn't contribute, that's when the dam broke loose. There's no doubt in my mind that Jerry and Deron led to the decline of AK. Ok, so people are right when they say he was weak-minded and wasn't able to deal with it. But don't put all the blame on him, and don't say he can't still play at a high level. His play on the Russian team this year, MVP of Euroleague and in Olympics is proof to the contrary.

OMFG!!!

Your comprehension skills are as bad as it gets. You still aren't listening to a damn word I said. You keep saying the same damn crap in response to every arguement I give I've given. Yes he's a team player in the sence that he passes the ball to his teammates, but he quit on his team in the sence that he started to not do the things that he used to do like play defense and make every hustle play.

What you don't seem to understand is this...

1.Even as good a playmaker as he is Deron is ten times better and needs the ball in his hands, and Boozer and Memo were better offensive players, and Even Brewer is a better finisher at the rim. So AK played second fiddle to Deron as a playmaker. He still had his opportunity, but it's better for the team to let deron be the primary catalyst for setting up the offense. AK played second fiddle to Boozer and Memo on offense, and even lost out on the base line cut to Brewer because Brewer was a better finisher
2. He lost playing time and respect of the coaching staff and Deron, because of his me me attitude that he developed. Yes, he was a willing passer, but he refused to recognize what was best for the team. He could've been a better Rodman, who was more skilled then Roman. Rodman didn't have plays called for him ever but he busted his *** every game and gave what ever team he was on what was best for the team. AK didn't need touches to be great. All he needed to do was bust his *** and play his roll, and evolve himself right along with how the offense was evolving. He would've gotten his points and assists just by sure hustle alone. AK didn't need to have the ball in his hands often to be successful. He proved that the handful of times he put up big numbers.

So, I don't know how I can be more clear on why it's AK's fault he wasn't better for the jazz. Did Sloan make mistakes? Sure, no one's perfect, mistakes are a part of life. AK chose to let it affect his play on the court, and relationship with the coach and Deron.

In the end AK pouted and it got in the way of his play. He has no one to blame but himself.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I remember that great lie he told Sloan and KOC...that he had a visa appt he couldn't miss. Everyone thought it was his visa to stay in the U.S., when actually it was a visa for his summer vacation. Yep, AK was a real "team player." Missed a practice during the playoffs so he could work on his off-season plans, not to mention the fatigue you experience from an early-morning, then evening flight to make it back.

Exactly.

 

[northeast]

Another good guy is banned.
RIP write4u.
You and Andrei both got a bad rap.
The world is not fair.

 

[nightmare3983]

Another good guy is banned.
RIP write4u.
You and Andrei both got a bad rap.
The world is not fair.

He argued for AK to the end. Well maybe he can start posting on a Timberwolves board now.

 

[MVP]

He could've been a better Rodman, who was more skilled then Roman. Rodman didn't have plays called for him ever but he busted his *** every game and gave what ever team he was on what was best for the team. AK didn't need touches to be great.

Wrong example. Rodman was not handed out max contract and was not called "face of franchise". Rodman never had touches and role like AK had for first two years after his max contract.
AK needs touches to be great - you are like Sloan if you do not understand that. See, there is biggest problem - Sloan was great X and O coach but his system was to robotic, to mechanical and he never had ability to tweak or adjust it in regards to unique players he had. All he could do ( with exception of 2003-2004 season which was his best coaching season IMHO ) was to run PG to PF dominated offense, so as soon as he had Deron and Boozer running his old style offense he did not bother how to utilize AK's talents anymore.

 

[mellow]

Late to thread, but wanted to have a say.

I long believed that the real reason AK was not traded was that Jazz did not want AK to go somewhere and be great. In Utah by Jerry he was misused, ignored and mistreated. But even then he showed he could be brilliant, and had instincts and athleticism to change the game.

Yes, he was injured too often. No he never lifted weights. Yes he was payed the max and aksed to contribute on a level worthy of 6 million/year or less. But was that AK's fault or Sloans? Or was it KOC's fault for signing Matt & Carlos, two guys he knew Jerry would favor?

As a fan I will forever wonder what might have been had the Jazz surrounded their max player with other players and a coach that complimented his game. It would have been exciting to watch.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I think I will only stay to taunt you haters after the Jazz lose to the Twolves.

Mods isn't this the definition of trolling? This guy should be banned.

Did this get him banned?

 

[MVP]

Late to thread, but wanted to have a say.

I long believed that the real reason AK was not traded was that Jazz did not want AK to go somewhere and be great. In Utah by Jerry he was misused, ignored and mistreated. But even then he showed he could be brilliant, and had instincts and athleticism to change the game.

Yes, he was injured too often. No he never lifted weights. Yes he was payed the max and aksed to contribute on a level worthy of 6 million/year or less. But was that AK's fault or Sloans? Or was it KOC's fault for signing Matt & Carlos, two guys he knew Jerry would favor?

As a fan I will forever wonder what might have been had the Jazz surrounded their max player with other players and a coach that complimented his game. It would have been exciting to watch.

Great post!

 

[Fishsticks]

Oh hells yeah! Write4u is toast! He got me with one more of his insane PMs before he bounced.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

There's no reasoning with these guys, AKMVP. I started this thread to taunt them so they could show how ignorant they are, and sure enough, their stupidity came flowing out like lava from a volcano.

Oh, and Dalamon, running the offense through AK was to take advantage of his passing ability and playmaking. I'll never forget one of his best games against the Lakers when Boozer and Okur were out because of injuries and the Jazz won with Fess playing center. He had 21 points, 11 rebounds, 11 assists, 3 steals and 3 rebounds -- Deron had 37 points benefiting from a lot of assists from AK -- and the Jazz won, and I even think it was in LA!

Trolling: Deliberate attempts to disrupt the usability of the boards will be considered trolling. These include (but are not limited to) comments made solely to provoke reactions, bizarre formatting of posts, extremely large images, many new threads started right after each other, signing a negative rep comment with someone else's name, etc. Depending on the severity of the trolling, the single strike policy may be enacted.

 

[Stifle Tower]

As a fan I will forever wonder what might have been had the Jazz surrounded their max player with other players and a coach that complimented his game. It would have been exciting to watch.

AK as the "franchise" player. Kind of like surrounding LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, etc, with players and having them win championships?
The MISTAKE the Jazz made was letting AK BELIEVE he was a MAX player by awarding him that contract. Pau got an undeserved fortune and Larry H. panicked. P. Gasol was never a max player. He had to play off Kobe and others to get his trophies. AK needed to understand he was a complementary piece. A very good one, but nonetheless, not someone who could carry a team on offense. His specialty was defense. Yet, because he didn't get enough "touches" - mainly because when he did, he'd launch up wild 3's - AK BY HIS OWN ADMISSION - played with less intensity on defense. I don't care if you NEVER get a chance to touch the ball on offense; you're being paid MAX money. To mean that means you give MAX effort, especially when you're on a playoff team. It's not like AK was on the Bobcats, Clippers or Kings where his effort (or lack thereof) wouldn't have made much of a difference in terms of making the playoffs and advancing.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Wrong example. Rodman was not handed out max contract and was not called "face of franchise". Rodman never had touches and role like AK had for first two years after his max contract.
AK needs touches to be great - you are like Sloan if you do not understand that. See, there is biggest problem - Sloan was great X and O coach but his system was to robotic, to mechanical and he never had ability to tweak or adjust it in regards to unique players he had. All he could do ( with exception of 2003-2004 season which was his best coaching season IMHO ) was to run PG to PF dominated offense, so as soon as he had Deron and Boozer running his old style offense he did not bother how to utilize AK's talents anymore.

He needs touches to be great? Jim Abbott could be paraplegic and be a better ball-handler than AK. Dude has almost no offensive skill outside of passing.

 

[northeast]

Trolling: comments made solely to provoke reactions

I see about 100 posts a day that fit this definition .

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I see about 100 posts a day that fit this definition .

The difference is those people don't readily admit it by saying they were purposefully taunting others.

 

[MVP]

Jim Abbott could be paraplegic and be a better ball-handler than AK. Dude has almost no offensive skill outside of passing.

The level of basketball idiocity is dropping lower and lower in this thread. Congrats, you are fighting with The Thriler for most unintelligent/uneducated (about basketball) poster on this board.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

The level of basketball idiocity is dropping lower and lower in this thread. Congrats, you are fighting with The Thriler for most unintelligent/uneducated (about basketball) poster on this board.

Really? What worldly, offensive basketball skills does AK possess other than solid passing? Shooting. Meh. Ability to create own shot. LOL. Ability to drive to the hole. LOLZ. Am I missing something here?

 

[theNBAnerd]

i've stayed out of this thread for a few days because i realize the discussion is moot for two reasons: 1) AK is a timberwolf now, 2) the pro-AK camp and the anti-AK camp are never, ever, ever going to see eye to eye on this topic.

but...

i absolutely cannot believe that write4u was banned for this thread. seriously. on a daily basis there are several dozen posts that are worse than anything he has ever said or done in YEARS of posting. that someone who has contributed on this board for as long as he has just got banned for "trolling" is ridiculous. write4u is not a troll, he is a guy with opinions who has been using them to further discussion (what this board is for) for a decade or so. if that's ban-worthy, then those of us who enjoy discussion should find another place to post so that the teenagers have a place to play.

 

[Fishsticks]

i've stayed out of this thread for a few days because i realize the discussion is moot for two reasons: 1) AK is a timberwolf now, 2) the pro-AK camp and the anti-AK camp are never, ever, ever going to see eye to eye on this topic.

but...

i absolutely cannot believe that write4u was banned for this thread. seriously. on a daily basis there are several dozen posts that are worse than anything he has ever said or done in YEARS of posting. that someone who has contributed on this board for as long as he has just got banned for "trolling" is ridiculous. write4u is not a troll, he is a guy with opinions who has been using them to further discussion (what this board is for) for a decade or so. if that's ban-worthy, then those of us who enjoy discussion should find another place to post so that the teenagers have a place to play.

Wah. Cry.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Write4u got banned? Awesome. It's probably just a 2-weeker though.

 

[nightmare3983]

Write4u got banned? Awesome. It's probably just a 2-weeker though.

One of the mods should update the who got banned thread to clarify this.