Al third most likely player traded before deadline

[Hotdog]

How about this:

Rondo/Collins/Barbosa for Kanter/Burks/Watson

Maybe swap 1st rd picks as well.

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aopqqdn

This gives Utah:

Rondo - Mo - Tinsley
Foye - Hayward - Barbosa - Murphy
Williams - Carroll
Paul - Evans
Al - Favors - Collins

Let Al walk and then we have this for next year

Rondo - (Jack/Gibson)
Hayward (Reddick)
Williams - Carroll
Paul - [Josh Smith (make Smith the starter with Millsap off the bench)/Pekovic]
Favors

and room for a max player.

Am I crazy? Rondo is an All-Star, would be GREAT with Hayward, Josh Smith (yeah, I know it's a long shot), and Favors. Would those three (hopefully four with Smith) be enough to contend? I think so. We would definitely be the best defensive team out there. Would be a quick, athletic offensive team. Perfect for the flex.

You could run Rondo, Reddick/Foye/Gibson, Hayward, Smith, Favors. Above average defensively at ever position except SG, good outside shooting, good passing, etc.

How crazy am I?

I have a hard time picturing Rondo here. I would like it, but it just seems really implausible. First, I can't see Celtics trading him. Why would they? I'm sure they don't want to go through another long rebuild. I think the Celtics want to be like all the other superteams out there and attract the big stars. Not draft them or train them. I don't think he is a threat to leave. Who is he going to team up with? Second, I don't see Rondo being happy here. He seems like a Cletics for life type of guy, and doesn't seem like he would like Utah. Not to mention all the attitude problems.

 

[crater77]

Bledsoe = Ronnie Price on steroids. No thank you.

 

[franklin]

Just to set the record straight: Bledsoe was in the same draft as Hayward. They will both be RFA's after next season, not this offseason.

Chris Paul: He is a UFA after this season and yes, the Clips can offer him the most money. But he refused an extension this offseason after they had locked up Griffin. While he will likely sign back up, there is no way the Clips are so assured he will that they will give up Bledsoe before it happens. And they would be foolish to do so until they have him inked.

Bledsoe: At this point, the hype has gotten so enormous that everyone assumes it must just be hype. He definitely has his flaws, and he still shows inconsistency game to game. But there was a good article earlier this year by Beckley Mason that pointed out his development in the PnR, and I would say the signs are clear that he just needs to have the chains taken off to flourish. Not as sure a thing as Harden by any means, but a definite star in the making.

I'd propose a bet on Bledsoe if I thought they'd actually break up the team. With that said, what outside chance do you really think takes Paul somewhere else? There was no guarantee Griffin's knee holds up and that it was a good fit. That's gone. There was no guarantee Dwight stays in LA but where is this conspiracy going to unite?

For some reason these agents have boiled down the formula for 7 year All Star players to go to FA. Even Kobe did it late just for the hell of it. The only conceivable reason to me for D-Will and E. Gordon to not sign an extension is for that good old fashion championship dream. If that's the reason then CP3 re-signs in LA. Where else does he go? Portland in some 4 off scenario where they trade Lilliard for Kevin Love?

Crazy thinking CP3 leaves for less money.

Is there anyone who doesn't think acquiring Bledsoe is not a great idea? If the cost was only Sap, it would be a no brainer. If the cost was Sap + the GS 1st AND our 1st , it would also be a no brainer. But he won't be dealt until the offseason, and it will cost a lot. If everyone wants to get their hopes too high, Burks + both our firsts might work, but LA will probably get a better offer than that.

If he's as good as you're advertising then it is a no brainer given the draft order those picks will be at. That's with the caveat that I don't think there's any chance of Sap re-signing. It's effectively Bledsoe for a 10-14 and a 20-24. No brainer.

Do it KO Lindsey. Give em Foye back too.

 

[green]

I have a hard time picturing Rondo here. I would like it, but it just seems really implausible. First, I can't see Celtics trading him. Why would they? I'm sure they don't want to go through another long rebuild. I think the Celtics want to be like all the other superteams out there and attract the big stars. Not draft them or train them. I don't think he is a threat to leave. Who is he going to team up with? Second, I don't see Rondo being happy here. He seems like a Cletics for life type of guy, and doesn't seem like he would like Utah. Not to mention all the attitude problems.

I have to say I don't find any fault with your thought process. Boston would get two young players with tremendous upside and Rondo would be put next to two very good young players (Favors could be elite with Rondo). I think Rondo would have to want out of Boston.

 

[franklin]

I have a hard time picturing Rondo here. I would like it, but it just seems really implausible. First, I can't see Celtics trading him. Why would they? I'm sure they don't want to go through another long rebuild. I think the Celtics want to be like all the other superteams out there and attract the big stars. Not draft them or train them. I don't think he is a threat to leave. Who is he going to team up with? Second, I don't see Rondo being happy here. He seems like a Cletics for life type of guy, and doesn't seem like he would like Utah. Not to mention all the attitude problems.

Ya. Celtics long term rebuild happens the same way they did it with Pierce (Rondo).

Pretty ****ty strategy to go full rebuild on reputation alone, IMO. Are the Celtics really LA Lakers at this point? Only one team outside crazy *** Knicks-because-it's-New York-and-you-can't-ignore-that have this advantage. Little Brother Boston will eat cat litter sandwich if they try tanking like they are these other two teams.

 

[Hotdog]

Is there anyone who doesn't think acquiring Bledsoe is not a great idea? If the cost was only Sap, it would be a no brainer. If the cost was Sap + the GS 1st AND our 1st , it would also be a no brainer. But he won't be dealt until the offseason, and it will cost a lot. If everyone wants to get their hopes too high, Burks + both our firsts might work, but LA will probably get a better offer than that.

I've seen people question the move for him. I'm just giving my point of you why we should pursue it, and why the Clippers would have to listen. I'm sure it won't happen. I actually have no faith that anything will happen. I think our management will try play too much hard ball and play it too conservatively, and we won't make any big move.

There isn't hardly any realistic moves that have a lot of potential to propell us to be really good. I think this year it was Harden and maybe Bledsoe and thats about it, maybe 1 or 2 other players. The rest are just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic by going out and getting more re-tread vets and average players. Harden is gone now and Bledsoe may be our next best choice. I would have thrown a lot at Harden if I were the Jazz. I think Bledsoe is another one of those opportunities staring at us right in the face. Its stupid if we just aren't be agressive because we aren't sure about Bledsoe. I say **** it, go hard, and make it happen.

Times like these where we have a lot of assets dont come around a whole lot,, and our assets are set to expire. We may have to move forward with just the hope that a core four turns out to be great if we do nothing. I just think that would be a shame we didn't maximize this situation to the fullest if that happens.

 

[Hotdog]

Ya. Celtics long term rebuild happens the same way they did it with Pierce (Rondo).

Pretty ****ty strategy to go full rebuild on reputation alone, IMO. Are the Celtics really LA Lakers at this point? Only one team outside crazy *** Knicks-because-it's-New York-and-you-can't-ignore-that have this advantage. Little Brother Boston will eat cat litter sandwich if they try tanking like they are these other two teams.

I think there is something to the Celtics building off reputation and already having a star. Thats how they just won their most recent championship. It wasn't from trading away Pierce for pieces. They built around him. Celtics are more likely than most teams to put together a big three through trades or free agency than say a Utah or another small market team.

It may take some time, but thats what they should be thinking. Everybody is trying to team up a few top players, and if if you already have one and you want 1 or 2 more, then why would you give one up? Utah and Boston's approaching to building are two different things.

 

[franklin]

I think there is something to the Celtics building off reputation and already having a star. Thats how they just won their most recent championship. It wasn't from trading away Pierce for pieces. They built around him. Celtics are more likely than most teams to put together a big three through trades or free agency than say a Utah or another small market team.

It may take some time, but thats what they should be thinking. Everybody is trying to team up a few top players, and if if you already have one and you want 1 or 2 more, then why would you give one up? Utah and Boston's approaching to building are two different things.

We're on the same page then. Rondo stays.

Problem with the Celtics is they believed paying Garnett 3 years for 1 year of good production, another of maybe, and a third as a Garnett bonus and nothing more, combined with a requirement to stay loyal to Pierce.... they backed into a corner going all in.

Trading Pierce and/or Garnett out of loyalty to a championship contender is their only out. Similar story with the Knicks bet on Chandler and Stat, except they might luck into enough to trade A'mare with other pieces.

Rondo stays or they suck and piss off their next two highest paid players.

 

[DeliveryBoy]

My reaction to the headline of this thread:

I think Bledsoe is way overrated, although he's better than what we have now. And I'd prefer to get something for Millsap/Jefferson besides cap space. Dragic intrigues me.

 

[Sneakers]

Bledsoe = Ronnie Price on steroids. No thank you.

QFT. And injury prone for that matter

 

[NAOS]

I wouldn't worry one bit about Paul leaving.



Arguably. Sap is 10x the player is subbing in for Griffin. They already have Crawford to spark the 2nd. Sap fits in with that perfectly if Billups can play Bledsoe's minutes.

If you see this as a championship push then you do it without batting an eye. If you have doubts then you stay with Bledsoe's option to match and wait another year. As well as Clips are playing, I'd consider a move that cements a WCF game.

In other words, what NAOS said.

Can't wait for Bledsoe to get here so BS can get start under-rating him.

 

[Zulu]

I like all what Hack had to say...

If we did get Bledsoe and he burns it up for us the rest of the year this gives us an opportunity to let Al and Mo walk...

That's a ton of cap space to pick up some filler players like a 3rd big..

Our team would look like this...

Bledsoe/Burks/Tinsley
Hayward/Foye
Marvin/ Carrol
Favors/FA
Kanter/FA

Hell if the Clips don't sign Millsap we could pick him back up or look to pick up Josh Smith!!

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

i just dont belive it lol.. the FO seem in love with al. i think a paul favors kanter linup would be good, but i see utah keep al. paul is an easyer guy to trade.

This.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

We're on the same page then. Rondo stays.

Problem with the Celtics is they believed paying Garnett 3 years for 1 year of good production, another of maybe, and a third as a Garnett bonus and nothing more, combined with a requirement to stay loyal to Pierce.... they backed into a corner going all in.

Trading Pierce and/or Garnett out of loyalty to a championship contender is their only out. Similar story with the Knicks bet on Chandler and Stat, except they might luck into enough to trade A'mare with other pieces.

Rondo stays or they suck and piss off their next two highest paid players.

Agreed. I said a month and a half ago the Celts should trade Pierce to a team who is really going for it all this season. Garnett's worth little to teams imo. But Pierce could be a great second option and closer for some teams. The Clips makes a lot of sense because they're already right there to win it all. But I don't think they can without someone like Pierce. That said, that may be too many chefs in the kitchen too. Memphis (for Gay) may make the most sense. You get out of Gay's contract if you're Memphis and can legitimately contend for a couple years with Pierce. Obviously others would have to be thrown in to make salaries work but to me, Pierce is maybe thee best name that should be floated out there.

 

[franklin]

In other words, what NAOS said.

Can't wait for Bledsoe to get here so BS can get start under-rating him.

So is he good enough to throw in the GSW pick if not the Jazz' own as well? Those picks are getting more useless every game anyway. Sap's expiring, choice of Watson/Foye/Tinsley,#14-18, #20-24 for Bledsoe + filler?

 

[NAOS]

So is he good enough to throw in the GSW pick if not the Jazz' own as well?

Yes (probably).

I think Millsap, one first, and Tinsley could get it done (with Odom returning to them). I recognize the short-term nature of the move, but I really believe they are one piece away. You don't jeopardize that for a backup PG when there is VERY little chance CP goes anywhere. After all, the best way to keep him is a deep playoff run.

And LoL at the CP-Dwight super team ****. Griffin is already better, imo, because of what he can do on offense (and his D is improving).

 

[Dr. Jones]

i am just not high on bledsoe. i feel like he would play basically the same role burks would play with more playing time. i dont feel he is a need. if we are going for a PG we need one that can pass the ball and likes to pass it. i think bledsoe is just burks with more playing time and less productive jump shot.

So is he good enough to throw in the GSW pick if not the Jazz' own as well? Those picks are getting more useless every game anyway. Sap's expiring, choice of Watson/Foye/Tinsley,#14-18, #20-24 for Bledsoe + filler?

I think it's close. That seems a bit rich to me, but not sure we'd do any better anyway .. and it would take that much, imo, to get a deal done anyway.

 

[Zulu]

It would be nice to see the front office willing to take that risk!!! If Bledsoe is available, we should be willing to give that much for him!!

 

[franklin]

Yes (probably).

I think Millsap, one first, and Tinsley could get it done (with Odom returning to Lakers). I recognize the short-term nature of the move, but I really believe they are one piece away. You don't jeopardize that for a backup PG when there is VERY little chance CP goes anywhere. After all, the best way to keep him is a deep playoff run.

And LoL at the CP-Dwight super team ****. Griffin is already better, imo, because of what he can do on offense (and his D is improving).

Fixed.

"• 2011 CBA: If a player is traded and subsequently waived by his new team, he cannot re-sign with his original team for one year following the trade or until July 1 after the last season of the player's contract, whichever is earlier."

I think it's close. That seems a bit rich to me, but not sure we'd do any better anyway .. and it would take that much, imo, to get a deal done anyway.

Fine. I'll throw in Roger too.

 

[NAOS]

Damn, didn't realize that was part of the new CBA. This is a sticking point.