Alcoholism

[DutchJazzer]

since the rep comment thread is going of topic the discussion could continue here

 

[DutchJazzer]

AA is about all or nothing
also i'm gonna qoute stan marsh

all or nothing is easy, learning to drink a little bit responsibly that's a discipline, discipline comes from within.

 

[DutchJazzer]

so nobody has something to say now.

about this so called disease

 

[Revolution 9]

I'm drinking a four loko for you Dutch.

You going to have a drink with me next year Dutchie? I'll be in Germany in January.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm drinking a four loko for you Dutch.

You going to have a drink with me next year Dutchie? I'll be in Germany in January.

Oh man I want to go to Germany. I was there 21 years ago and loved every minute of it (well nearly). Wow time flies.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm drinking a four loko for you Dutch.

You going to have a drink with me next year Dutchie? I'll be in Germany in January.

i'll be in south america in january

 

[PearlWatson]

so nobody has something to say now.

about this so called disease

Is it contagious?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

pEOPLE THAT CAN'T CONTROL THEIR ALCOHOLISM SOUND LIKE WEAK ******* TO ME, GET UR **** UNDER CONROL. MAN.

 

[DutchJazzer]

yes cowardice is indeed contagious

 

[PearlWatson]

pEOPLE THAT CAN'T CONTROL THEIR ALCOHOLISM SOUND LIKE WEAK ******* TO ME, GET UR **** UNDER CONROL. MAN.

What about people who can't control their language?

 

[PearlWatson]

yes cowardice is indeed contagious

does your belly turn yellow?

 

[DutchJazzer]

What about people who can't control their language?

tourretes syndrom wich is an actual dissease.

no laughing matter

 

[PearlWatson]

tourretes syndrom wich is an actual dissease.

no laughing matter

I forgot about that. It is kind of funny to hear a potty mouth on a little girl though.

 

[babe]

I forgot about that. It is kind of funny to hear a potty mouth on a little girl though.

disagreed. just sad.

Well, just as sad coming from big girls.

 

[DutchJazzer]

but "alcoholism is a disease" notion is a big slap in the face to people suffering from legitimate diseases

 

[babe]

but alcoholism is a disease is a big slap in the face to people suffering from legitimate diseases

I don't know much about alcoholism. I suppose lung cancer or obesity or even sleep disorders might be considered somehow the consequence of our own lack of good judgment or self-control. If treating it seriously as a disease can help folks get better, more power to those who call it a disease and try to help cure it or treat it.

 

[gregbroncs]

but alcoholism is a disease is a big slap in the face to people suffering from legitimate diseases

It's addictive therefore it's a disease. Willpower alone may be able to get some people over it but not all or even most if they are actual alcoholics. Is it in the same category as cancer no. But just because it's not does not mean it's not a disease.

I you have a lesser disease how the **** are you slapping the face of somebody with a worse disease? Why would they really care if you have something less than them. They are more worried about their own problems than what somebody else calls their affliction.

Your antics in the other thread and this show that you just have not seen somebody who is truly an alcoholic. Which pretty much means your point of view here is mostly worthless. It also shows how immature and pathetic you are when you tell a doctor that something they have declared a disease is not.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I don't know much about alcoholism. I suppose lung cancer or obesity or even sleep disorders might be considered somehow the consequence of our own lack of good judgment or self-control. If treating it seriously as a disease can help folks get better, more power to those who call it a disease and try to help cure it or treat it.

as i stated in another post.

the disease excuse. takes power away from the alcoholic. with no power over their drinking what can they do as i stated in another thread.

medical professionals and American culture lovingly embraced the disease concept and quickly applied it to every possible deviant behavior from alcohol abuse to you name it.

Research has shown that alcoholism is a choice, not a disease, and stripping alcohol abusers of their choice, by applying the disease concept, is a threat to the health of the individual.(not to mention a threat to my kids when they are old enough to play outside. some drunk driver might kill them)

also note
the disease excuse removes responsibility from the alcoholic. as a disease cannot be healed by will, so adding the disease label transfers the responsibility from the alcoholic to others. so they become the victims, and sooner ot later they take on that role.

the first 2 steps of AA (the only treatment to alcoholism)
1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.(weak cant do anything about)
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.(again weak and powerless)

also if an alcoholic is powerless to this disease shouldn't dui and vehicular manslaughter/homicide not be punishable by law since its a "recognized disease" which we are powerless against.

also the only "treatment" to alcoholism is live long attendance to an aa meeting. it is free but a basket is passed for donations. hmm sounds like a cult

 

[NUMBERICA]

Some people are genetically predisposed to becoming addicted, which from there commonly turns into a physical dependency. That can be classified as a disease.

/thread

 

[NUMBERICA]

But if you want to get all worked up about something that absolutely doesn't matter and nobody gives a rat's *** about, please continue DutchJazzing.