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All the reasons Corbin sucks

Corbin sucks because he has no awareness in game. I truly believe he designs what he is going to do before the game (with rotations, players minutes, etc) and then doesn't have the instinct to make changes in the game. Just like how he removes players once they start making plays and getting a little hot.

This touches on the core of the problem, IMO. I think Corbin just doesn't have the brain for it. So where did Corbin learn to set up his rotations? From Sloan of course. Sloan was criticized, imo fairly at times and unfairly at others, for sticking to his plan down to the minute. If Stockton was supposed to come out of the game at the 8 minute mark of the 1st quarter then by God he came out. He could have gone 10-10, with 28 points and 15 assists in that 8 minutes and had the first dunk of his career as he seemed to be flying over everyone's heads, but he would still sit the last 4 minutes of the first quarter. Corbin learned this. The part Corbin is missing, is that Sloan knew what his team, and the individual players, needed, at any given point in time.

Sloan generally did the right thing, even with his tightly controlled rotations, and made adjustments that made sense and didn't make adjustments when they didn't make sense. Sloan understood the game on a different level, boiled it down to its simplest components, and ran a simple but extremely effective system. He knew when and how to tweak and what that tweak would generally do in the course of the game. Why didn't he vary from his sub patterns much? Because by and large they were effective and the right thing to do.

I think Corbin is a step behind. He doesn't have the mental horse-power or deep understanding of the game or his players to plan at the level Sloan did. So he sets his rotations and holds to them whether it makes sense or not, never really understanding why, just knowing that was the way the great one did it, so it has to be right.

It is a lot like a certain family that likes to have a wonderful baked ham at thanksgiving. One year a husband who was newly married into the family observed the women preparing this wonderful family tradition. They prepared the ham lovingly, cutting beautiful hash-marks into the surface and rubbing it down with a delicious brown-sugar glaze, then pinning circles of pineapple and cloves all over. It was gorgeous and he found himself so very excited to try this family tradition himself. Then his new mother-in-law pulled out a wicked-looking knife and unceremoniously lopped 3 inches of each end of the ham. He was confused. It was so wonderfully prepared he couldn't understand why she would do that. So he asked, "Say, why do you chop off the ends of the ham?" The mother-in-law looked irritated. "This is a very old family recipe, it was handed down by my grandmother to my mother, to me, and I will be handing it down to my daughter, your wife." He could tell he had struck and nerve and so he pulled his wife aside. "Honey, can you tell me why you cut off the ends of the ham? It seems like such a waste." She shrugged. "My great-grand-mother cooked it that way, and it is family tradition. It will be delicious, you will see." He frowned, "Yes, but there is so much less to go around." She smiled, and patted him on the shoulder "listen dear, my great-grand-mother doesn't have very many more thanksgivings with us. We don't want to upset her or anything. She is in the other room and I don't want her to overhear this conversation. It is our family tradition and I promise you it will be wonderful." He found a weak smile and put it on his face. "Alright dear, you're right." And he went into the living room. The great-grand-mother was rocking quietly in her chair, a hand-knitted shawl across her lap, a light, carefree smile on her face. He went to her. "Grandmother, can I ask you a question?" She smiled at him and in her wobbly, sweet voice answered "of course dear." He said, "I was watching them prepare the ham. It looks like a wonderful recipe and I am very excited to try it." She beamed "why thank you. We have been making that ham for years now, it is a family favorite." He smiled, "yes I can see that. My question is, I watched them cut off the ends of the ham and wondered what that does to help with the recipe." She looked at him blankly, patted his knee, and said "oh my, dear, it does nothing for the recipe. I had to do that years ago because the hams wouldn't fit in our tiny stove."

So here is Corbin, cooking a ham with a recipe he doesn't understand and unwilling to deviate from the path of the master, all along showing he really has no clue why it is done the way it is done.
 
Another Corbin problem:

Keeping JLIII on Ty Lawson when Ty Lawson is repeatedly breaking him off the dribble. Corbin refuses to do anything to stop this. Just very disappointing.
 
Never been a huge Ty fan and said on this board it was a mistake to give him the head job when Sloan left. However, Ty is not the problem with this team right now and the amount of hate toward him is not founded.
 
ty is perfect for the tank.... he needs to be praised..then shown the door after the tank is complete.. we are using ty like a $2 doll hooka
 
Would Corbin help the team more as a player than he does now as the coach? Or maybe I should ask, would Corbin hurt the team less as a player than as coach?
 
I hate how our bigs come out so far on pick n roll defense and then everyone has a mad scramble to try to recover.

Corbin should change that strategy cause its not working
 
I hate how our bigs come out so far on pick n roll defense and then everyone has a mad scramble to try to recover.

Corbin should change that strategy cause its not working

Agree

That strategy is definitely awful
 
#1 Inability to make in game adjustments.
#2 Unaware of match ups both good and bad. Plays a system based on minutes left in game instead of logic.
#3 Not a "players coach" Raja Bell brought it up and Millsap confirmed it.
#4 Bad x's and o's coach. Out of timeouts he gets the least amount out of his players of any coach in the league. And many of his "plays" seem to either be simple to stop or to complex for this group to run.
#5 Slow progress and to a extent regression of play from the young c4 group.
#6 His system seems to be a knock off version of Jerry's system. In my opinion Jerry had respect from every player and every player minus a few with issues wanted to play for him.
#7 Defense. For years it seems like the Jazz don't understand how to defend a corner 3 point shot. Every single team with a point guard who can penetrate and kick to a guy for a corner for a 3 constantly burn the Jazz. Not to mention he loves to play guys who have zero interest in playing defense.
#8 His love fest for crappy vets. Apparently he loves to play guys who remind him of himself.
#9 Lack of knowledge in calling timeouts. From stopping a team going on a run to using them as teaching moments when a player messes up he stands on the sideline fixing his suave tie instead.
#10 I'm actually sick of listing his faults. So i'll stop now.
 
This thread should be locked. If you haven't coached or played in the NBA, you can't criticize Ty.

This is true for the most part. For example, 99.9% of jazz fans criticized him last season for playing Millsap and Jefferson over Kanter and Favors. These fans have a lot of egg on their faces at the moment.


Examples of strawman arguments against Corbin that have been thoroughly debunked:

--Corbin is rigid and doesn't change lineups. DEBUNKED
--Why doesn't Corbin start Jeremy Evans? This once strongly held populist opinion has completely reversed.
--Why doesn't Corbin start Burks at point guard? We now know Burks has no pg skills and can barely advance the ball past half court on time.
--Why doesn't Corbin try different pnr defense? This argument reversed completely the moment it was found out that Corbin changes pnr coverage all the time. Then the board went into frenzy finding a way to blame Corbin for doing exactly what they were calling for but weren't bright enough to notice.
--Corbin doesn't understand NBA offenses. This one is the most telling of general fan knowledge. It's absurd to think a coach can with over 40 games in the NBA without understanding modern offense. If you can't teach offense then you can't defend, and if you can't defend then you can't win 40 NBA games. But no matter how ridiculous it was, fans were still know-it-alls about it.
--Corbin doesn't game plan and change looks based on opponent. The changes in the Houston game are just one of many exhibits, but the Fire Ty crowd weren't able to recognize any of them.


The list goes on and on, with most strawmen easily substituted for Sloan and crew and the same "fans" repeating the exact same arguments. Most fans exhibit Dunning Kruger Effect -- not smart enough to realize how dumb they are.
 
This is true for the most part. For example, 99.9% of jazz fans criticized him last season for playing Millsap and Jefferson over Kanter and Favors. These fans have a lot of egg on their faces at the moment.


Examples of strawman arguments against Corbin that have been thoroughly debunked:

--Corbin is rigid and doesn't change lineups. DEBUNKED
--Why doesn't Corbin start Jeremy Evans? This once strongly held populist opinion has completely reversed.
--Why doesn't Corbin start Burks at point guard? We now know Burks has no pg skills and can barely advance the ball past half court on time.
--Why doesn't Corbin try different pnr defense? This argument reversed completely the moment it was found out that Corbin changes pnr coverage all the time. Then the board went into frenzy finding a way to blame Corbin for doing exactly what they were calling for but weren't bright enough to notice.
--Corbin doesn't understand NBA offenses. This one is the most telling of general fan knowledge. It's absurd to think a coach can with over 40 games in the NBA without understanding modern offense. If you can't teach offense then you can't defend, and if you can't defend then you can't win 40 NBA games. But no matter how ridiculous it was, fans were still know-it-alls about it.
--Corbin doesn't game plan and change looks based on opponent. The changes in the Houston game are just one of many exhibits, but the Fire Ty crowd weren't able to recognize any of them.


The list goes on and on, with most strawmen easily substituted for Sloan and crew and the same "fans" repeating the exact same arguments. Most fans exhibit Dunning Kruger Effect -- not smart enough to realize how dumb they are.

Tldr blah blah
 
This is true for the most part. For example, 99.9% of jazz fans criticized him last season for playing Millsap and Jefferson over Kanter and Favors. These fans have a lot of egg on their faces at the moment.


Examples of strawman arguments against Corbin that have been thoroughly debunked:

--Corbin is rigid and doesn't change lineups. DEBUNKED
--Why doesn't Corbin start Jeremy Evans? This once strongly held populist opinion has completely reversed.
--Why doesn't Corbin start Burks at point guard? We now know Burks has no pg skills and can barely advance the ball past half court on time.
--Why doesn't Corbin try different pnr defense? This argument reversed completely the moment it was found out that Corbin changes pnr coverage all the time. Then the board went into frenzy finding a way to blame Corbin for doing exactly what they were calling for but weren't bright enough to notice.
--Corbin doesn't understand NBA offenses. This one is the most telling of general fan knowledge. It's absurd to think a coach can with over 40 games in the NBA without understanding modern offense. If you can't teach offense then you can't defend, and if you can't defend then you can't win 40 NBA games. But no matter how ridiculous it was, fans were still know-it-alls about it.
--Corbin doesn't game plan and change looks based on opponent. The changes in the Houston game are just one of many exhibits, but the Fire Ty crowd weren't able to recognize any of them.


The list goes on and on, with most strawmen easily substituted for Sloan and crew and the same "fans" repeating the exact same arguments. Most fans exhibit Dunning Kruger Effect -- not smart enough to realize how dumb they are.

Your defense of corbin posts are always a fun read. They are full of so much vitriol and passion. Seriously though, I'm starting to think Corbin could walk out on the floor wednesday night, forfeit the game, and you would claim he made the right call. What, if anything, can Corbin improve on?
 
--Corbin doesn't understand NBA offenses. This one is the most telling of general fan knowledge. It's absurd to think a coach can with over 40 games in the NBA without understanding modern offense. If you can't teach offense then you can't defend, and if you can't defend then you can't win 40 NBA games. But no matter how ridiculous it was, fans were still know-it-alls about it.

40 wins? Wow. That's quite a benchmark. Let's start making room for Coach Ty in the HOF now.

Del Harris has a reputation as having a great basketball mind - perhaps even as great as yours. But as a whole, his team's underachieved. And it wasn't because a lack of talent - in fact two of the team's he coached (The Rockets and Lakers) went on to the NBA Finals almost immediately after he got **** canned. This was because Del couldn't manage people and make positive in-game decisions. So even if Corbin is as sharp as you make him out to be (which, come on now, he isn't) it still doesn't overcome the fact he can't manage players and the game is way too fast for him.

After 8 games The Jazz are winless and just got blown out at home against a team with one win coming in. Historically, 100 times out of 100 the coach is the one to answer for this level of incompetence. Why should this time be any different?
 
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Your defense of corbin posts are always a fun read. They are full of so much vitriol and passion. Seriously though, I'm starting to think Corbin could walk out on the floor wednesday night, forfeit the game, and you would claim he made the right call. What, if anything, can Corbin improve on?

I'm full of vitriol because I don't go facebook on him over dumb ****, trying to find fault in non-issues like a look on his face during a referee huddle? Jazzfanz is to Corbin what Sean Hannity is to President Obama. Turn on a.m. radio or read jazzfanz, there's no end to the level of absurdity these two hate machines will go to blame the man.
 
40 wins? Wow. That's quite a benchmark. Let's start making room for Coach Ty in the HOF now.

Del Harris has a reputation as having a great basketball mind - perhaps even as great as yours. But as a whole, his team's underachieved. And it wasn't because a lack of talent - in fact two of the team's he coached (The Rockets and Lakers) went on to the NBA Finals almost immediately after he got **** canned. This was because Del couldn't manage people and make positive in-game decisions. So even if Corbin is as sharp as you make him out to be (which, come on now, he isn't) it still doesn't overcome the fact he can't manage players and the game is way too fast for him.

After 8 games The Jazz are winless and just got blown out at home against a team with one win coming in. Historically, 100 times out of 100 the coach is the one answer for this level of incompetence. Why should this time be any different?

That's a fair criticism (not that I agree). Corbin seems to have a bit of midget rigidity that keeps him from making small adjustments every here and there.
 
This thread should be locked. If you haven't coached or played in the NBA, you can't criticize Ty.

A dumb comment. Just because we haven't coached a game in the NBA doesn't mean we can't recognize when someone is failing to observe basic fundamentals of the game. Most of us here have played at some level and have been coached. So we do know the rudiments of the game and are able to make an intelligent assessment of Ty's performance.
 
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