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All thing Hayward (Dirk said it so let it be done)

Locke is always saying that players are pretty much who they are after 3 years, but with Hayward I wonder if he's different. He seems to approach the game from so many different angles that maybe he's still figuring things out a bit. There are some guys that continued to improve well after their first 3 years, Steve Nash is one of them.
 
larryselbows said:
Locke is always saying that players are pretty much who they are after 3 years, but with Hayward I wonder if he's different. He seems to approach the game from so many different angles that maybe he's still figuring things out a bit. There are some guys that continued to improve well after their first 3 years, Steve Nash is one of them.
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That is a great point. I wonder though if that can also be true of Favors, Kanter and Burks. Lightning can strike 4 times in the same place, right?
 
orangello said:
That is a great point. I wonder though if that can also be true of Favors, Kanter and Burks. Lightning can strike 4 times in the same place, right?
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the odds arnt in our favor... but why the freak not we are jazz fans we love wishful thinking!!
 
I think we haven't seen what Favors, Burks and Kanter are capable of yet. Limited minutes, shortened season last year ect. Give them some starting minutes and we'll see what we got
 
orangello said:
That is a great point. I wonder though if that can also be true of Favors, Kanter and Burks. Lightning can strike 4 times in the same place, right?
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I think that the 3 years thing is only applied when said player has recieved alot of minutes for those 3 years.... so for favors, kanter, and burks this rule would not apply.

I think favors, kanter and burks have ALOT of improvement coming. (plus kanter and burks have only been in the league 1.5 years)

Edut: Actually kanter and burks have been in the league less than 1.5 years, due to the lockout shortened season in thier rookie seasons.... So i think those two will improve ALOT more.... now if only they could get alot of consistent minutes.
 
larryselbows said:
Locke is always saying that players are pretty much who they are after 3 years, but with Hayward I wonder if he's different. He seems to approach the game from so many different angles that maybe he's still figuring things out a bit. There are some guys that continued to improve well after their first 3 years, Steve Nash is one of them.
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Well AFTER being the key word. He is in the middle of his 3rd season as we speak so it still counts towards his progress and like others have said last year was a shortened season due to the lock out.
 
I love Hayward's game, and his attitude. He works hard, and though he does make mistakes here and there he always seems to make up for it, probably purposefully, with a big play. He can shoot, go to the rim, block, defend, and facilitate for others. His game reminds me a lot of AK's, only with a jump shot, reasonable contract, and without the injuries. He's a better athlete than I thought initially. He's got a really complete game and he's a Jazz type player.

I think he won't really hit prime for another year or two. I hope he sticks around a long time.
 
MoTappin said:
I love Hayward's game, and his attitude. He works hard, and though he does make mistakes here and there he always seems to make up for it, probably purposefully, with a big play. He can shoot, go to the rim, block, defend, and facilitate for others. His game reminds me a lot of AK's, only with a jump shot, reasonable contract, and without the injuries. He's a better athlete than I thought initially. He's got a really complete game and he's a Jazz type player.

I think he won't really hit prime for another year or two. I hope he sticks around a long time.
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Agreed , nice post.
 
I think he will stick around for a long time, he seems like a level headed guy, not wanting to leave for 'big markets'. I hope he sticks around too, gotta love his game the past little bit
 
larryselbows said:
Locke is always saying that players are pretty much who they are after 3 years, but with Hayward I wonder if he's different. He seems to approach the game from so many different angles that maybe he's still figuring things out a bit. There are some guys that continued to improve well after their first 3 years, Steve Nash is one of them.
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This! As frustrating as Hayward has been the last two seasons, he still continues to progress his game and impress me with his improvements. I think he has All Star capability at a much later stage in his career than those who usually get there. That's no lock by any means and he may stall, but we won't see any of that until next season at minimum. Plus, he'll be a good player if he gets just a little bit better yet continues making those veteran consistency improvements.

orangello said:
That is a great point. I wonder though if that can also be true of Favors, Kanter and Burks. Lightning can strike 4 times in the same place, right?
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I think it is very possible with Favors. He's showing no signs of stalling in his improvement, even if it is slow. Kanter surely has much growth left in him. I think Burks is the one of the four who might stall out in his third season, but his lack of playing time combined with the shortened rookie season probably give him an extra season to put it all together.
 
You just have to look at what those players are doing already and what's reasonable to expect them to get better at. All Burks really would have to do to be brushing star power is a reliable step back or pullup J. All Hayward needs is consistency, the big guys just need to keep working on their feet and learning how to avoid turnovers. All of this is reasonable and will happen if they work at it.

I don't really buy the 3 year story as a rule of thumb although it sounds good. Lots and lots of guys get better around the league after 3 years, particularly the elite players. In Utah Millsap is a very good example of somebody who seems to get a new wrinkle to his game every year.
 
Whenever I get depressed about Favors's mpg, I search up Jermaine O'Neal on wikipedia.


I suggest y'all do the same as well.


Always thinking of ma brodiez,

-George
 
Can't wait til Paul George gets an All Star spot this year despite scoring less than 17 pts shooting 42%, which will somehow make him waaay better than Hayward. Man the east is turrible.
 
Sneakers said:
Can't wait til Paul George gets an All Star spot this year despite scoring less than 17 pts shooting 42%, which will somehow make him waaay better than Hayward. Man the east is turrible.
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While playing 10 minutes more than Hayward per game. FIREKOC!!!
 
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I don't get it. Really.
 
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