All-Time NBA Draft Round 2: White Chocolate vs. Hack

[Elizah Huge]

It's funny how easily people dismiss Curry and Klay as if they are some kind of fluke or not all that good.

We are talking about the best shooting backcourt of all time. So good that it won them a championship. Something many so called great players weren't able to get.

I think people romanticize the past way too much, and don't give enough credit to current players.

Think about this. Remember when Jordan did his infamous shoulder shrug because he hit 6 threes? No way 6 threes? Really? That's so crazy. Give me break. Curry knocks down 6 threes every other game like it's nothing. But ya, previous generations were so much better.

I love Curry, nobody is saying he sucks, but Klay disappeared during the finals, dude averaged like 6 ppg (don't quote me, but that's what it seemed like).

People need to not use recency bias either with them winning a championship, I'm pretty damn sure Stockton and Malone would have beat Jordan, Dellavedova, Mozgov, and Thompson handily come on now.

 

[Jeffrey32]

White Chocolate's team has fit problems.

Stockton and Maravich wouldn't play well together. Stockton would get tired of his fancy pants basketball. And they would have a hard time sharing the ball. They are both too ball dominant.

White Chocolate doesn't have a real shooting guard either. Ron Artest isn't a shooting guard.

Then you have Bill Walton and Willis Reed clogging up the lane, along with Julius Erving who isn't a 3 point shooter.

White Chocolate's team has no floor spacing

With Walton, Reed, Erving, and Stockton I don't know if you need that much spacing. I would guess that WC would go for a post-heavy, high shooting percentage offense, where most of the points are going to come from within 10-feet of the basket. Stock, Dr. J, and Pistol would also run the fast break perfectly and there would be a lot of opportunity for fast break points with all the 3s Hack will shoot and the long rebounds they will cause.

 

[Miggs]

I'm not sure how whitechocolate is winning this match-up so far. I guess the Stockton-Maravich duo has maybe bought some votes. My stronger suspicion though is that Hack's overly aggressive posts have caught up with him.

 

[Hotdog]

With Walton, Reed, Erving, and Stockton I don't know if you need that much spacing. I would guess that WC would go for a post-heavy, high shooting percentage offense, where most of the points are going to come from within 10-feet of the basket. Stock, Dr. J, and Pistol would also run the fast break perfectly and there would be a lot of opportunity for fast break points with all the 3s Hack will shoot and the long rebounds they will cause.

There aren't going to be many long rebounds when all the 3's are going in. Maybe you should check again who my shooters are.

So now spacing doesn't matter because those players can't space the floor? What kind of logic is that?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Not sure how Hacks team got through the first round but this ones an easy one for me. White Chocolate has way more talent.

Spacing is far less of an issue with elite players than people make it out to be. Can 2 or 3 of your players hit mid range jumpers? Can 1 or 2 of your starters hit a three? Then your floor is spaced. You dont need 4 guys on the court that can hit 3s to be spaced well. History of the NBA has not shown that.

Thompson, Wiggins, Favors, Horry are not good enough to be drafted in this.

Shaq with Curry and Ray is a fun combo, just not enough talent at around them and Ray is a good shooter but never an elite player.

 

[DForceAUS]

With Walton, Reed, Erving, and Stockton I don't know if you need that much spacing. I would guess that WC would go for a post-heavy, high shooting percentage offense, where most of the points are going to come from within 10-feet of the basket. Stock, Dr. J, and Pistol would also run the fast break perfectly and there would be a lot of opportunity for fast break points with all the 3s Hack will shoot and the long rebounds they will cause.

Pretty much the same reason why I voted WC

 

[Miggs]

Not sure how Hacks team got through the first round but this ones an easy one for me. White Chocolate has way more talent.

Spacing is far less of an issue with elite players than people make it out to be. Can 2 or 3 of your players hit mid range jumpers? Can 1 or 2 of your starters hit a three? Then your floor is spaced. You dont need 4 guys on the court that can hit 3s to be spaced well. History of the NBA has not shown that.

Thompson, Wiggins, Favors, Horry are not good enough to be drafted in this.

Shaq with Curry and Ray is a fun combo, just not enough talent at around them and Ray is a good shooter but never an elite player.

I'm not saying he was an elite player but people forget how great of a player Ray Allen was. 26.4 points, 4.5 rebounds, 4.1 assists, and 1.5 steals per game may not be elite but it is a great, great season.

 

[Hotdog]

Not sure how Hacks team got through the first round but this ones an easy one for me. White Chocolate has way more talent.

Spacing is far less of an issue with elite players than people make it out to be. Can 2 or 3 of your players hit mid range jumpers? Can 1 or 2 of your starters hit a three? Then your floor is spaced. You dont need 4 guys on the court that can hit 3s to be spaced well. History of the NBA has not shown that.

Thompson, Wiggins, Favors, Horry are not good enough to be drafted in this.

Shaq with Curry and Ray is a fun combo, just not enough talent at around them and Ray is a good shooter but never an elite player.

I'll give you Wiggins and Favors don't belong. But how can you Ray and Klay don't belong? I really think that's not good judgment of those two players.

Try to argue who you think is a better shooter than Ray Allen, other than Steph Curry, and Reggie Miller maybe? Who else? Why would you think the best shooters in basketball history don't belong in this contest? We are talking about a game of put the ball in the hoop. And both those players are far more than just shooters.

 

[Jeffrey32]

There aren't going to be many long rebounds when all the 3's are going in. Maybe you should check again who my shooters are.

So now spacing doesn't matter because those players can't space the floor? What kind of logic is that?

It's style of play thing. WC's players played in an era where floor spacing wasn't as important and players were able to still able to get 30 through the mid-range and points around the basket. The players dictate the style of play and Dr. J didn't need shooters around him then to get his points and he wouldn't now.

 

[Jeffrey32]

I'll give you Wiggins and Favors don't belong. But how can you Ray and Klay don't belong? I really think that's not good judgment of those two players.

Try to argue who you think is a better shooter than Ray Allen, other than Steph Curry, and Reggie Miller maybe? Who else? Why would you think the best shooters in basketball history don't belong in this contest? We are talking about a game of put the ball in the hoop. And both those players are far more than just shooters.

Klay had a terrible Finals overall, so I don't know if I would trust him in this 7 game series amongst the greats. He might be right for this in 2-3 years, but it is a bit too early to anoint him as a Top SG ever.

Ray Allen 100% deserves to be in and probably start in a series like this.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Not sure how Hacks team got through the first round but this ones an easy one for me. White Chocolate has way more talent.

Spacing is far less of an issue with elite players than people make it out to be. Can 2 or 3 of your players hit mid range jumpers? Can 1 or 2 of your starters hit a three? Then your floor is spaced. You dont need 4 guys on the court that can hit 3s to be spaced well. History of the NBA has not shown that.

Thompson, Wiggins, Favors, Horry are not good enough to be drafted in this.

Shaq with Curry and Ray is a fun combo, just not enough talent at around them and Ray is a good shooter but never an elite player.

seriously. Not sure why my team was so overlooked. Wilt West Worthy Durant Pettit English Gervin. Some of the greats right there. Just don't get it?

 

[The Midnight]

seriously. Not sure why my team was so overlooked. Wilt West Worthy Durant Pettit English Gervin. Some of the greats right there. Just don't get it?

Didn't you also have Durant last year?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Yes


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So


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[Ron Mexico]

I'll give you Wiggins and Favors don't belong. But how can you Ray and Klay don't belong? I really think that's not good judgment of those two players.

Try to argue who you think is a better shooter than Ray Allen, other than Steph Curry, and Reggie Miller maybe? Who else? Why would you think the best shooters in basketball history don't belong in this contest? We are talking about a game of put the ball in the hoop. And both those players are far more than just shooters.

I didnt say Ray didnt belong. I said he was a fun combo with Shaq. I said he isnt elite. I would not pick him to be a starter either, but he is a great shooter which fits with Shaq. Ray is not a top 50 player of all time.

Klay on the other hand does not belong as a player in this draft thing let along a starter.

 

[Hotdog]

I didnt say Ray didnt belong. I said he was a fun combo with Shaq. I said he isnt elite. I would not pick him to be a starter either, but he is a great shooter which fits with Shaq. Ray is not a top 50 player of all time.

Klay on the other hand does not belong as a player in this draft thing let along a starter.

Ya, you said was a fun combo, but not an elite player. How is he not elite? What's the bar you are using? He's in the top 5 best shooters ever who could do more than just shoot. He put up better numbers through out his career than a lot of players in this thing. Is he on the level of Jordan and Lebron, no, but a lot of people aren't.

You basically implied he didn't belong.

Mostly I want to know why you think Klay doesn't belong.

He was an Allstar Starter last year. He was the second best player on a championship team. His numbers were 22/3/3 on 46% fg/88% ft/ 44% 3p.

How does that not qualify as being a really good player? His finals wasn't that great, but he still was great throughout the regular season and helped lead that team to the Championship.

 

[Hax0rs]

Steph Curry is the superior player.

I knew you were dumb, just didn't realize you were a complete moron. Steph Curry couldn't hold basketball John's jock.

Steph Curry > the second greatest PG of all time....nope

Vote is WC

 

[Hotdog]

I knew you were dumb, just didn't realize you were a complete moron. Steph Curry couldn't hold basketball John's jock.

Steph Curry > the second greatest PG of all time....nope

Vote is WC

Steph Curry , best shooter ever, league MVP, NBA Champion with apparently no help, and certainly no help from an NBA power forward great.

Nice logic.

I bet John would trade his records for those things.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

If we are judging players by just their best, which could be just one season, I don't know if Stockton ever had a season to rival Curry's 2014-2015 MVP, NBA Title season.


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Exactly.

People need to take off the Homer glasses.

Steph Curry is the superior player.

Not sure how I missed these gems.

In 1990 Stockton put up 17 pts 14 ast and one tenth of a point away from 3 stls a game. Also shot 40% from three and 50% all together. He also put up these insane numbers for 4 or 5 straight years. All of which were better then Nash's two MVP years. In Stocktons day he never reached top ten in MVP voting. Had Stockton played in this era it's possible he'd go down as even better then magic at the end of his career. And Curry's year wasn't better then Stockton's best.

Go be a GS fan. Ridiculous let's see Curry have a 8 year stretch like Stockton had. Let's see Curry even try to get close to Johns assist and Steals record. Lol. Better then Stockton??

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Steph Curry , best shooter ever, league MVP, NBA Champion with apparently no help, and certainly no help from an NBA power forward great.

Nice logic.

I bet John would trade his records for those things.

No he wouldn't. He only played for the love of the game. He proved that during the lockout when he said let's take whatever deal and get back to playing