QuinSnydersHair
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Mods, please sticky these threads for a couple days.
Also, please change title to All-Time NBA Draft--Round One: Jeffrey32 vs. White Chocolate
Game One is me vs. spycam1 and I literally had it all typed and tried posting it but of course Jazzfanz logs you off after 15 minutes so I have to do it all over again. That said, we will start with game two. The game one and game three will be posted shortly.
Jeffrey32 vs. White Chocolate
Jeffrey32’s write-up
PG - Jerry West / Mark Price
SG - Kobe Bryant / Joe Dumars
SF - Rick Barry / Oscar Schmidt / Shawn Marion
PF - Bob Pettit / Dave Cowens / Chris Bosh
C - Robert Parish / Jack Sikma
“My team is built on scoring and versatility. I have 4 of the top all time scorers, some of the best defensive and multi-position players of all-time, and center who could not only defend and rebound, but shoot and shoot free throws very well (so they could stay on the floor during crunch time). I could play small ball with Bosh at center, Marion at the 4, and Kobe at the 3, or go big with Dumars at the point and Bosh and Parish at the 4-5. Clutch games are won at the free-throw line and I have the best free throw shooters in the game, with Price and Barry at 90%.
GUARDS
My starting backcourt of Kobe Bryant and Jerry West would probably be unmatched with a combined 30 All Star, 17 All NBA Team, and 17 All Defensive Team selections. They are two of the best scorers and most clutch players in history, average nearly 50 points and 12 assists between them. Kobe in actuality or in fantasy dominated and would dominate Richmond and Sprewell. West’s size on defense and ability to make Stockton have to work on defense would limit Stockton’s ability to be effective. For further ballhandling, shooting and defense, Dumars and Price would be effective against WC’s starters or his bench. Penny might cause issues for other teams, but Kobe and Dumars would be able to lock him down as well. People forget that Dumars could also score from everywhere and averaged 27ppg in the ’89 Finals.
SMALL FORWARDS
Barry is probably the original Point Forward. Not only is he one of the best scorers of all time, but also averaged 6.5 assists, so ball-sharing is not a problem for this team. Schmidt is the best steal, surprise, and strategic pick of this draft. Arguably the greatest pure scorer and shooter in history. Can easily shoot from long range or in the post. Without even including Marion, my defensive stopper, my Small Forwards easily outrank Mullin, Big Turnover Robinson, or Detlef. Detlef’s size at the 3 was unique, but Marion could hold his own against him.
POWER FORWARDS
Malone is the greatest PF of all time, but before there was Karl there was Bob Pettit, the dominant power forward of his day. Malone is probably the only position I would lose on, but Bosh’s 6’11 size would cause problems for Malone and be able to match up well. Plus, his ability to stretch Malone to the 3-point line would limit Malone’s ability to rebound. Cowens would be the energizer and outwork Larry Johnson.
CENTERS
At 40+ Parish dominated Laimbeer in the NBA playoffs and finals and even punched him in the face a few times. Imagine what he would have done to Laimbeer in his prime. Parish could run the floor like no other center of his day. My centers are not only rim protectors and rebounders but great runners of the floor and shooters from the field and the line.”
White Chocolate’s write-up
"My roster for this matchup:
White Chocolate's 1990's Team
PG - John Stockton / Anfernee Hardaway / Tim Hardaway
SG - Mitch Richmond / Latrell Sprewell
SF - Chris Mullin / Detlef Schrempf / Glenn Robinson
PF - Karl Malone / Larry Johnson
C - Alonzo Mourning / Bill Laimbeer
My write up for this matchup:
I would like to start out by looking at the match-ups.
John Stockton vs. Jerry West
Stockton is the better player in this matchup easily. 1st all-time in assists and 1st all-time in steals is no joke. Those numbers speak for itself, two records that probably will never be broken. Stockton is a top-3 point guard of all-time and West is a top 10-15 point guard of all-time.
Mitch Richmond vs. Kobe Bryant
Kobe wins this matchup, as he is a top-3 shooting guard of all-time. Richmond is no slouch though, he averaged 20+ PPG for 10 straight years. Richmond would be able to back-down Kobe for a couple baskets in the post, but Kobe is just the better player hands down.
Chris Mullin vs. Rick Barry
This one is very, very close. I ultimately have to give the nod to Mullin. Barry can flat out score the ball, but against better competition his scoring went down. Barry averaged a career 30.5 PPG in the ABA, but when the merger happened between the ABA & NBA his scoring went down considerably to a career average of 22.5 PPG. He dropped a whole 8 PPG when the leagues merged (when the talent he played against was better). Mullin played in probably the best era of basketball, the 80's and 90's. Mullin averaged 25+ PPG for five straight seasons and he was a All-NBA First Team member in 1992. A top-5 player in the league that season and he also played for the Dream Team. The closest matchup out of the whole starting-five, but I give the slight edge to Mullin.
Karl Malone vs. Bob Pettit
Not much to see here, arguably the greatest power forward of all-time against a top 10 power forward. Malone is a top-3 power forward ever at the worst, where as Pettit probably barely makes the cut into the top-10. Malone is 2nd all-time in scoring and would have been 1st if he played 2-3 more seasons (which he probably could have).
Alonzo Mourning vs. Robert Parish
Just like the small forward battle, this one is very close. I think both guys are top 20 centers of all-time. I give the slight edge to Zo because of his defense, 2x Defensive Player of the Year, 2x All Defensive First Team, and 2x Blocks Leader. Parish never made an all-defensive team, Mourning also was on the All-NBA First Team in 1999, and Parish never made an All-NBA First Team either. A close matchup, but Zo gets the nod here because he is simply the better player.
Second, I would like to take a look at both teams bench.
PG's - Anfernee Hardaway & Tim Hardaway easily beat Mark Price.
SG's - Joe Dumars narrowly beats out Latrell Sprewell.
SF's - Two-time 6th man of the year winner (Schrempf) and Big Dog beats out a guy who hasn't even played a minute in the NBA & Marion.
PF's - I give the edge to Jeffrey32, he has more depth at the position with Cowens & Bosh against Grandmama.
C's - Bill Laimbeer against Jack Sikma is close, both guys were good players in their day. Laimbeer was a Bad Boy so he wins the tiebreaker.
Lastly, I would like to recap the two teams and make points on why my team is obviously better.
- White Chocolate's team has the better starters 4-1.
- White Chocolate's team has the better bench 3-2.
- I would win every pick-and roll.
- My team is full of bad *** players.
- Jeffrey32 has a guy who hasn't played one minute in the NBA.
Thank you for taking the time to read this write-up and please vote for the better team."
Also, please change title to All-Time NBA Draft--Round One: Jeffrey32 vs. White Chocolate
Game One is me vs. spycam1 and I literally had it all typed and tried posting it but of course Jazzfanz logs you off after 15 minutes so I have to do it all over again. That said, we will start with game two. The game one and game three will be posted shortly.
Jeffrey32 vs. White Chocolate
Jeffrey32’s write-up
PG - Jerry West / Mark Price
SG - Kobe Bryant / Joe Dumars
SF - Rick Barry / Oscar Schmidt / Shawn Marion
PF - Bob Pettit / Dave Cowens / Chris Bosh
C - Robert Parish / Jack Sikma
“My team is built on scoring and versatility. I have 4 of the top all time scorers, some of the best defensive and multi-position players of all-time, and center who could not only defend and rebound, but shoot and shoot free throws very well (so they could stay on the floor during crunch time). I could play small ball with Bosh at center, Marion at the 4, and Kobe at the 3, or go big with Dumars at the point and Bosh and Parish at the 4-5. Clutch games are won at the free-throw line and I have the best free throw shooters in the game, with Price and Barry at 90%.
GUARDS
My starting backcourt of Kobe Bryant and Jerry West would probably be unmatched with a combined 30 All Star, 17 All NBA Team, and 17 All Defensive Team selections. They are two of the best scorers and most clutch players in history, average nearly 50 points and 12 assists between them. Kobe in actuality or in fantasy dominated and would dominate Richmond and Sprewell. West’s size on defense and ability to make Stockton have to work on defense would limit Stockton’s ability to be effective. For further ballhandling, shooting and defense, Dumars and Price would be effective against WC’s starters or his bench. Penny might cause issues for other teams, but Kobe and Dumars would be able to lock him down as well. People forget that Dumars could also score from everywhere and averaged 27ppg in the ’89 Finals.
SMALL FORWARDS
Barry is probably the original Point Forward. Not only is he one of the best scorers of all time, but also averaged 6.5 assists, so ball-sharing is not a problem for this team. Schmidt is the best steal, surprise, and strategic pick of this draft. Arguably the greatest pure scorer and shooter in history. Can easily shoot from long range or in the post. Without even including Marion, my defensive stopper, my Small Forwards easily outrank Mullin, Big Turnover Robinson, or Detlef. Detlef’s size at the 3 was unique, but Marion could hold his own against him.
POWER FORWARDS
Malone is the greatest PF of all time, but before there was Karl there was Bob Pettit, the dominant power forward of his day. Malone is probably the only position I would lose on, but Bosh’s 6’11 size would cause problems for Malone and be able to match up well. Plus, his ability to stretch Malone to the 3-point line would limit Malone’s ability to rebound. Cowens would be the energizer and outwork Larry Johnson.
CENTERS
At 40+ Parish dominated Laimbeer in the NBA playoffs and finals and even punched him in the face a few times. Imagine what he would have done to Laimbeer in his prime. Parish could run the floor like no other center of his day. My centers are not only rim protectors and rebounders but great runners of the floor and shooters from the field and the line.”
White Chocolate’s write-up
"My roster for this matchup:
White Chocolate's 1990's Team
PG - John Stockton / Anfernee Hardaway / Tim Hardaway
SG - Mitch Richmond / Latrell Sprewell
SF - Chris Mullin / Detlef Schrempf / Glenn Robinson
PF - Karl Malone / Larry Johnson
C - Alonzo Mourning / Bill Laimbeer
My write up for this matchup:
I would like to start out by looking at the match-ups.
John Stockton vs. Jerry West
Stockton is the better player in this matchup easily. 1st all-time in assists and 1st all-time in steals is no joke. Those numbers speak for itself, two records that probably will never be broken. Stockton is a top-3 point guard of all-time and West is a top 10-15 point guard of all-time.
Mitch Richmond vs. Kobe Bryant
Kobe wins this matchup, as he is a top-3 shooting guard of all-time. Richmond is no slouch though, he averaged 20+ PPG for 10 straight years. Richmond would be able to back-down Kobe for a couple baskets in the post, but Kobe is just the better player hands down.
Chris Mullin vs. Rick Barry
This one is very, very close. I ultimately have to give the nod to Mullin. Barry can flat out score the ball, but against better competition his scoring went down. Barry averaged a career 30.5 PPG in the ABA, but when the merger happened between the ABA & NBA his scoring went down considerably to a career average of 22.5 PPG. He dropped a whole 8 PPG when the leagues merged (when the talent he played against was better). Mullin played in probably the best era of basketball, the 80's and 90's. Mullin averaged 25+ PPG for five straight seasons and he was a All-NBA First Team member in 1992. A top-5 player in the league that season and he also played for the Dream Team. The closest matchup out of the whole starting-five, but I give the slight edge to Mullin.
Karl Malone vs. Bob Pettit
Not much to see here, arguably the greatest power forward of all-time against a top 10 power forward. Malone is a top-3 power forward ever at the worst, where as Pettit probably barely makes the cut into the top-10. Malone is 2nd all-time in scoring and would have been 1st if he played 2-3 more seasons (which he probably could have).
Alonzo Mourning vs. Robert Parish
Just like the small forward battle, this one is very close. I think both guys are top 20 centers of all-time. I give the slight edge to Zo because of his defense, 2x Defensive Player of the Year, 2x All Defensive First Team, and 2x Blocks Leader. Parish never made an all-defensive team, Mourning also was on the All-NBA First Team in 1999, and Parish never made an All-NBA First Team either. A close matchup, but Zo gets the nod here because he is simply the better player.
Second, I would like to take a look at both teams bench.
PG's - Anfernee Hardaway & Tim Hardaway easily beat Mark Price.
SG's - Joe Dumars narrowly beats out Latrell Sprewell.
SF's - Two-time 6th man of the year winner (Schrempf) and Big Dog beats out a guy who hasn't even played a minute in the NBA & Marion.
PF's - I give the edge to Jeffrey32, he has more depth at the position with Cowens & Bosh against Grandmama.
C's - Bill Laimbeer against Jack Sikma is close, both guys were good players in their day. Laimbeer was a Bad Boy so he wins the tiebreaker.
Lastly, I would like to recap the two teams and make points on why my team is obviously better.
- White Chocolate's team has the better starters 4-1.
- White Chocolate's team has the better bench 3-2.
- I would win every pick-and roll.
- My team is full of bad *** players.
- Jeffrey32 has a guy who hasn't played one minute in the NBA.
Thank you for taking the time to read this write-up and please vote for the better team."
