America is great and everything is NOT Pres. Trump's fault thread

[Heathme]

So it's your opinion that the President of the U.S. is the God of the world economy?

Do you need some more data and charts to show the obvious shift in the economy when Pres. Trump was elected?

Obama's policies sucked the air out of the economy and it was stagnant. Pres. Trump's policies breathed new life into the economy and it took off. It's obvious that we are not going to convince each other so go back to your Trump bashing threads and wallow in negativity if you like.

 

[LogGrad98]

ANY country that can do this to a national/global socialist or communist is great.

I'm sorry but I find this very funny. One of the funniest things to come out of this election was when we heard about universities bringing in trauma counselors after the election and cancelling finals. I just could not believe how weak-minded so many people have become that they can't handle something that they don't agree with occurring.

But I guess it really isn't funny. It's sad and scary. How is this next generation going to function if the way they handle things they don't agree with is by canceling things as important as finals (and that includes canceling it for people who did not feel that way, how fair is that?) and turning to grief counselors to handle the fact that someone disagrees with them?

 

[One Brow]

Executive Order 13768!

Not a fan, sorry. This was not a good thing Trump did.

 

[Zombie]

Do you need some more data and charts to show the obvious shift in the economy when Pres. Trump was elected?

Obama's policies sucked the air out of the economy and it was stagnant. Pres. Trump's policies breathed new life into the economy and it took off. It's obvious that we are not going to convince each other so go back to your Trump bashing threads and wallow in negativity if you like.

Not only is he God of the world economy, but within minutes of being elected, before even being sworn, in he was able to turn the economy around. Truly incredible stuff.

In any case GDP growth on its own isn't necessarily a sign that the economy is healthy. Take for example what happened just a couple of years after the last time the US experienced 3%+ growth.

 

[One Brow]

FACT IS GOVERNMENT REGULATION CAUSED THAT CRASH.

Fact is that if Clinton had not rolled back Glass-Steagall, the crash does not happen.

The fact is that unregulated capitalism always leads to cycles of booms and busts, where the rich get richer and the middle-class get poorer.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Fact is that if Clinton had not rolled back Glass-Steagall, the crash does not happen.

The fact is that unregulated capitalism always leads to cycles of booms and busts, where the rich get richer and the middle-class get poorer.

where does this fact come from!

got any historical refrences of "unregulated capitalsim" aka FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm sorry but I find this very funny. One of the funniest things to come out of this election was when we heard about universities bringing in trauma counselors after the election and cancelling finals. I just could not believe how weak-minded so many people have become that they can't handle something that they don't agree with occurring.

But I guess it really isn't funny. It's sad and scary. How is this next generation going to function if the way they handle things they don't agree with is by canceling things as important as finals (and that includes canceling it for people who did not feel that way, how fair is that?) and turning to grief counselors to handle the fact that someone disagrees with them?

it' is sad. because the left claims to be for democracy. i myself do not beleive in democracy. it is wrong for half+1(the majority) to decide for the minorty and the individual.
but if you support and are for democracy. you shoudl be for it in both times, when the majority votes against you or for you.

and seems like we are at that point now. where democracy is only good when my side wins. so we get antifa. dragging "white men" out of cars and punching them. hmm sounds like wacism to me! we get violence because they refuse to accept democracy.

this will only escalate into a civil war .

that is why democracy never will work.l as government grows the stake become higher. small government who has no business in your live. does not infuelnce you so when a decision goes against you it wont influence you. so you wont pay it no mind. but as government grows it influences your daily live more and more and more and more. so when the majority votes against your wishes. you will feel the government stepping on your throat and slowly start chrusing your throat and like a cornered animal you will start to fight back!

DONT VOTE! don't use your vote to take liberty away, don't use your vote to tell people how to live, dont use your vote to take peoples money!
just be a pacifist and stop using your vote to force your will on the individuals and the minority. after all the smallest minority is the individual

 

[gandalfe]

Do you need some more data and charts to show the obvious shift in the economy when Pres. Trump was elected?

Obama's policies sucked the air out of the economy and it was stagnant. Pres. Trump's policies breathed new life into the economy and it took off. It's obvious that we are not going to convince each other so go back to your Trump bashing threads and wallow in negativity if you like.

This is idiotic. Most of the good things that have happened in the economy since Trump took office have been continuations of trends that began under Obama.

Here's the ferociously left-wing Forbes to tell you that:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...d-18-months-into-his-presidency/#197b1e4c1283

 

[str8line]

Do you need some more data and charts to show the obvious shift in the economy when Pres. Trump was elected?

Obama's policies sucked the air out of the economy and it was stagnant. Pres. Trump's policies breathed new life into the economy and it took off. It's obvious that we are not going to convince each other so go back to your Trump bashing threads and wallow in negativity if you like.

Dude, who gives a **** about the economy. We've sold our soul to a ****ing madman you imbecile.

 

[gandalfe]

Dude, who gives a **** about the economy. We've sold our soul to a ****ing madman you imbecile.

Well, that's the other point. Let's say he's the economic miracle worker Heathme says he is (and I would question how the $1,000,000,000,000 deficit plays into that, but, let's stipulate it for now). How much $$ is the life of, same, 11 elderly Jews in Pittsburgh worth? Or 500 children still locked up in "tender age camps?" The damage done to our world standing, particularly with regard to our longtime Western European allies? Increased racial tensions and the emboldening of avowed (not merely admitted) white supremacists? Etc, etc, ad infinitum...

 

[One Brow]

where does this fact come from!

got any historical refrences of "unregulated capitalsim" aka FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!

The Dutch tulip bubble. US industrial history in the late 19th century. How many examples do you require?

 

[Stoked]

Dude, who gives a **** about the economy. We've sold our soul to a ****ing madman you imbecile.

I’m sorry you sacrificed your soul. Mines safely intact. And I can still appreciate the economy and the relief and piece of mind it brings to millions including myself.

My job has a budget for the full fiscal year at the beginning of the fiscal year for the first time in 22 years. That’s right. 22. No ******** 3 week shutdowns. Nights were I go to bed hungry because I fed my kids instead.

I bet those parents that are now employed and can put some bread on the table care about the economy.

**** trump but Jesus man. Reign the hysteria in. It’s a good idea to present a reasoned, calm point. ESPECIALLY when your point is valid.

**** like this just closes ears.

 

[gandalfe]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...economy-jobs-unemployment-20181102-story.html

 

[str8line]

I’m sorry you sacrificed your soul. Mines safely intact. And I can still appreciate the economy and the relief and piece of mind it brings to millions including myself.

My job has a budget for the full fiscal year at the beginning of the fiscal year for the first time in 22 years. That’s right. 22. No ******** 3 week shutdowns. Nights were I go to bed hungry because I fed my kids instead.

I bet those parents that are now employed and can put some bread on the table care about the economy.

**** trump but Jesus man. Reign the hysteria in. It’s a good idea to present a reasoned, calm point. ESPECIALLY when your point is valid.

**** like this just closes ears.

Sorry Stoked but if you can't see what's going on you're truly blind.

Happy that things are going well financially for you though.

And maybe I should clarify, I haven't sacrificed my soul Trump supporters have.

 

[str8line]

I’m sorry you sacrificed your soul. Mines safely intact. And I can still appreciate the economy and the relief and piece of mind it brings to millions including myself.

My job has a budget for the full fiscal year at the beginning of the fiscal year for the first time in 22 years. That’s right. 22. No ******** 3 week shutdowns. Nights were I go to bed hungry because I fed my kids instead.

I bet those parents that are now employed and can put some bread on the table care about the economy.

**** trump but Jesus man. Reign the hysteria in. It’s a good idea to present a reasoned, calm point. ESPECIALLY when your point is valid.

**** like this just closes ears.

BTW, what is your job?

And you might want to read what Gandalfe just posted before thinking Trump had too much to do with your current situation.

 

[Stoked]

BTW, what is your job?

And you might want to read what Gandalfe just posted before thinking Trump had too much to do with your current situation.

Tbh, I don’t give a damn whose credit it is. It has literally been the a life preserver.

My point still stands. We all know you hate Trump. We know. Dude is “insert insult here”. You’re right. He is. Most of us agree. Those that don’t will not start agreeing now. It’s starting to get broken record.

And no, I’m not saying forget or stop caring. But people start to tune out when it’s 24/7. Take a day off. Damn.

 

[Stoked]

Sorry Stoked but if you can't see what's going on you're truly blind.

Happy that things are going well financially for you though.

And maybe I should clarify, I haven't sacrificed my soul Trump supporters have.

I can see what’s going on perfectly. I’m just not willing to froth at the mouth every. Single. Day. On a sports message forum about it.

But who am I to stop the 18 month long circle jerk?

 

[Getting Traded]

The ignorance demonstrated in this thread is depressing. Oh, so DJ doesn't believe in democracy. Isn't that why people came here in the first place because when we no longer have a say in how we are governed, then there is no limit to how far those who do will take away our rights. You better study history, DJ, to see what happens to a nation when it is ruled by a small number of people. You end having to do things you are told to do whether you like it or not, and you have no say in the matter. Is that what you want to happen?

And no one in this thread has been able to explain why the so-called statistics show a better economy. Somehow, this mad a-hole in the White House snaps his fingers and everyone is getting employed. Maybe the extra jobs can be attributed to work in the coal mines or building pipelines transporting oil or fracking for oil through the midwest aquifer putting the world's largest supply of fresh water at risk. Maybe there are more jobs with Homeland Security removing illegal aliens and working in detention centers where they are incarcerating their kids. Maybe they need some extra hands to shoot at the homeless people in the Caravan, one-third of whom are children, who are going to invade the U.S. Maybe there are more jobs at the White House to clean up the slop created by the Trump family. I don't know. Do you have any ideas why there are more jobs, who is offering them, and if the average person is actually making more money?

Trump is an abomination and to say he is the worst President in U.S. history is giving him credit -- the depths to which he is bringing our nation is unfathomable. It's like having an NBA team losing all 82 games.

 

[str8line]

Tbh, I don’t give a damn whose credit it is. It has literally been the a life preserver.

My point still stands. We all know you hate Trump. We know. Dude is “insert insult here”. You’re right. He is. Most of us agree. Those that don’t will not start agreeing now. It’s starting to get broken record.

And no, I’m not saying forget or stop caring. But people start to tune out when it’s 24/7. Take a day off. Damn.

What exactly has been a life preserver?

And it's actually you who seems to be frothing.

Care to tell us what your job is and how Trump relates to your newly secure financial position?

 

[Getting Traded]

lol fact?

2008 was caused by the government telling the banks something.

look let's say you have lots of money.
2 white people come to me.
1 is a single parent with 5 children. who dropped out of highschool
and the other is a family man, is married has a wive with 2 kids. and has a small bussines

those 2 people come to me for a loan, you want in the end your loan to be paid back. we are not talking charity here! because we know which one can uses the charity! but business wise. which one is usally more likely to pay back the loan! not syaing the single mom 5 kids no education cant pay it back but it is LESS LIKELY.

ok, so banks/business(not charities) make risk assesment on how likely it is 1 person might pay back a loan. thye have different criteria. somehow clinton adminsitration thought it was racist, because 1 of criteria is stable family other was stable income and some where level of education. so clintons decide dthis was a racist thing to do. and forced the bank to give out more loans. so within this new law, ofcourse banks know they will lose ****. so they lobby for ridiculous things in the law. so they get some kind of protection. it is only normal

after all if i force you to lend money to everyone, you will want something in return so you dont risk losing your money.

ok so now lots of people got loans. so there is this thing socialist dont understand it is called supply and demand. now that more and more people could get loans. demand for houses went up! demand goes up prices go up. this demand is unnatural and caused by the governmetn so it is unsustainable. so now the housing prices are skyhigh,, people start defaulting on loans. that coupled with OTHER influences. caused the 2008 crash


FACT IS GOVERNMENT REGULATION CAUSED THAT CRASH. i know it's a bit complicated and technical for you to understand simple **** like risk management and supply and demand etc etc etc. but these are facts

B.S. Show me proof that regulation caused the crash. It was the financial institutions breaking the law that caused the crash. I don't have time to look up the facts, but this is pretty much common knowledge. In fact, that was one of the criticisms of Obama that he didn't prosecute Wall Street for their criminal activities that resulted in it. And it actually was deregulation that caused it or not enough regulation that led lenders to give loans to those who were not qualified. They did not adhere to reasonable limits because of lack of regulation, so that they could profit individually from commissions they would make by contracting these mortgages.