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SLCHooper

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The main thing I keep seeing around this forum is that the Jazz either have to add small(Jared Dudley) pieces and hope the core becomes elite or blow up the squad for an All-Star and then you have a thin squad with 1 All-Star.

I want to pose the idea of being ambitious while keeping the core..mainly for down the road.

The chance of the Jazz winning a title in the next 3/4 years is slim to none, so any notion that the Jazz are "one piece" away is ludicrous(Unless it's a top 5 player...which won't come to Utah at this point in time). So my idea is that you start building young, quality, athletic depth to the current roster through Free Agency. This means you will probably have to over pay(which we should all be fine with considering the Jazz have the 2nd lowest total salary in the NBA). By building the depth and adding legit NBA players(6th man type guys) and maybe even guys who could start over the core for a time. This does two things. You immediately become a playoff team and gain invaluable experience. Once this team grows up a bit and becomes an outside threat to get to the WCF or Finals, the Jazz then have assets that other teams want and trust. At that point, the Jazz have become "one piece away" with disposable pieces.

I have some thoughts on a couple free agents that would help kick start this process.
-Kent Bazemore
-Allen Crabbe
-Matthew Dellavedova
-Jordan Hill
-Dwight Powell
-Donatas Motiejunas

I think you only sign 2 this year and see what you get with or for the #12 pick. And look at the market again next year. I have loved the patience the Jazz have had with the core and I don't want to see it go to waste by not being aggressive where they can be. It's time the Jazz get serious about creating a roster full of legitimate NBA players from top to bottom. Spend some money so you don't have to put in Ingles, Johnson and Withey. They are not legit NBA players.

This is all about positioning the Jazz to become a NBA champion in like 5-7 years.

As always, open to thoughts, critiques and or mockery :)
 
I like your FA list but Bazemore is going to cost a lot (17M?) and I assume, since he is now, want to start. That could be an issue. Crabbe is highly attractiveness probably the guy I want most.
 
Just sign Steph next offseason.

But for real, I like your thinking


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SLCHooper said:
The main thing I keep seeing around this forum is that the Jazz either have to add small(Jared Dudley) pieces and hope the core becomes elite or blow up the squad for an All-Star and then you have a thin squad with 1 All-Star.

I want to pose the idea of being ambitious while keeping the core..mainly for down the road.

The chance of the Jazz winning a title in the next 3/4 years is slim to none, so any notion that the Jazz are "one piece" away is ludicrous(Unless it's a top 5 player...which won't come to Utah at this point in time). So my idea is that you start building young, quality, athletic depth to the current roster through Free Agency. This means you will probably have to over pay(which we should all be fine with considering the Jazz have the 2nd lowest total salary in the NBA). By building the depth and adding legit NBA players(6th man type guys) and maybe even guys who could start over the core for a time. This does two things. You immediately become a playoff team and gain invaluable experience. Once this team grows up a bit and becomes an outside threat to get to the WCF or Finals, the Jazz then have assets that other teams want and trust. At that point, the Jazz have become "one piece away" with disposable pieces.

I have some thoughts on a couple free agents that would help kick start this process.
-Kent Bazemore
-Allen Crabbe
-Matthew Dellavedova
-Jordan Hill
-Dwight Powell
-Donatas Motiejunas

I think you only sign 2 this year and see what you get with or for the #12 pick. And look at the market again next year. I have loved the patience the Jazz have had with the core and I don't want to see it go to waste by not being aggressive where they can be. It's time the Jazz get serious about creating a roster full of legitimate NBA players from top to bottom. Spend some money so you don't have to put in Ingles, Johnson and Withey. They are not legit NBA players.

This is all about positioning the Jazz to become a NBA champion in like 5-7 years.

As always, open to thoughts, critiques and or mockery :)
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I'm sick of u underrating the players. We aren't as far away from contending. The core is still young. Rudy, Hood, Exum, Burks, and Lyles are very young. We should get a player with high potential with the 12th pick. Plus there is still room for Favors and Hayward to improve a little even still.

Next year we have two picks to work with in a deep deep draft. We don't need to break the bank. We have NBA quality players in Neto, Mack, Booker, and Whithy. I don't understand why people on this board has turned on Whithy. His praises were being sung during the season and now a ton are saying he's not an NBA player. This by posters that said he should've gotten more time while the year was going on, and Ingles who was a spark plug time and time again.

We only need minor upgrades. Upgrades to Booker and Johnson. Lol at u calling Dellavedova an upgrade. GTFO with that garbage. Neto is better already. He was the #1 3pt % of all rookies. All this young team needs is time to get execution down and get experience. This team is one of the most complete teams in the NBA??! The only issue is youth. I'm sure at some point we will have to figure out who stays and who goes. Financially I can't imagine we can keep all our core together, but as long as the Jazz org doesn't go nuts in free agency spending, we should be able to keep most of the core intact.

I don't think I've ever seen a decent post from u, ever!! Please go join clutchfans, it's much more your speed.
 
A proper rebuild isn't done in a few years. If u want to get it right u need to be patient and let the players progress at their speed. There has been no need to spend in free agency, and may not be any need to this year. I want to see how Gobert Hood Exum Lyles and Burks responds. In my opinion the key to the Jazz turning a corner is Exum. The better he plays and progresses the better the team as a whole will be and individually.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems as though some think the cupboard is bare. There is more talent here then in most of the rest of the league. Only a handful of teams are at the Jazz level or higher when it comes to talent. Most seem not to be able to realize this.
 
I like Bazemore and Montiejunas. I have wanted Montiejunas on our team for a while now.

Biggest problem I see with the Jazz is and always has been their depth. Need to build it with a bit more contributors. Don't need an all star cast, just solid players that know their role.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I like your FA list but Bazemore is going to cost a lot (17M?) and I assume, since he is now, want to start. That could be an issue. Crabbe is highly attractiveness probably the guy I want most.
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Love Bazemore, but he's going to get overpaid on the open market. Portland will definitely match on Crabbe. Everyone else (IMO) is meh. If the Jazz have to overpay, I hope they chase guys at MAX or near MAX levels. Add a piece that can become a part of the core moving forward.
 
I don't think trading Hayward or Favors is blowing anything up. We do have a lot of talent. We don't have elite talent, but we have playoff capable talent all over this roster.

Look at GS. They originally had Steph, Monta Ellis, and solid pieces. Many of their fans hated the idea of dealing or losing either Curry or Ellis. Well, they did move on from Ellis, drafted well (Thompson, Barnes and Green) and picked up a good player via practically via a salary dump in Iggy. I love many of our current pieces but I'm blindly tied to any of them.

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SLCHooper said:
The main thing I keep seeing around this forum is that the Jazz either have to add small(Jared Dudley) pieces and hope the core becomes elite or blow up the squad for an All-Star and then you have a thin squad with 1 All-Star.

I want to pose the idea of being ambitious while keeping the core..mainly for down the road.

The chance of the Jazz winning a title in the next 3/4 years is slim to none, so any notion that the Jazz are "one piece" away is ludicrous(Unless it's a top 5 player...which won't come to Utah at this point in time). So my idea is that you start building young, quality, athletic depth to the current roster through Free Agency. This means you will probably have to over pay(which we should all be fine with considering the Jazz have the 2nd lowest total salary in the NBA). By building the depth and adding legit NBA players(6th man type guys) and maybe even guys who could start over the core for a time. This does two things. You immediately become a playoff team and gain invaluable experience. Once this team grows up a bit and becomes an outside threat to get to the WCF or Finals, the Jazz then have assets that other teams want and trust. At that point, the Jazz have become "one piece away" with disposable pieces.

I have some thoughts on a couple free agents that would help kick start this process.
-Kent Bazemore
-Allen Crabbe
-Matthew Dellavedova
-Jordan Hill
-Dwight Powell
-Donatas Motiejunas

I think you only sign 2 this year and see what you get with or for the #12 pick. And look at the market again next year. I have loved the patience the Jazz have had with the core and I don't want to see it go to waste by not being aggressive where they can be. It's time the Jazz get serious about creating a roster full of legitimate NBA players from top to bottom. Spend some money so you don't have to put in Ingles, Johnson and Withey. They are not legit NBA players.

This is all about positioning the Jazz to become a NBA champion in like 5-7 years.

As always, open to thoughts, critiques and or mockery :)
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The original post here is just rambling garbage. What I think you are saying is that one of the guys on that list of free agents somehow makes us a contender in 5 - 7 years.

You say be patient but aggressive as well.

I honestly am just confused here. But as far as the Jazz's plan of attack, it hasn't changed. Get a great coach who is all about player development. Develop the talent we have. Be flexible when the right piece compliments our system.

That plan is going great. Our players have developed a ton in the last 2 years since Corbin got the boot. The rebuild has been slowed by Corbin and the recent injury prone season. Snyder has a 3rd year to push us forward and we should have lots of returning, highly desirable assets. We have cash in the bank, assets, flexibility, a great coach, a system...

Crabbe and Mont are decent players, but they won't make us contenders like everything else we are doing. In DL I trust.

Supporting the AAA and DDD years alike.
 
None of those guys make us better. Mack is better than Matt D. The injuries slowed down the development of the team a year but I'd rather see who we draft first and then make a solid FA pick who can strengthen our bench without taking away time from the core.

Right now our bench is mack,burks,SF,Lyles and C. Jazz have four picks. The Jazz have been notoriously good at picking a good player at 42 so say they find one contributor in the draft then they sign a free agent to fill the whole left on the bench. Neto, Ingles, Whitey can be end of bench guys who play if guys get hurt or there is a blow out.
 
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Ellis269 said:
Love Bazemore, but he's going to get overpaid on the open market. Portland will definitely match on Crabbe. Everyone else (IMO) is meh. If the Jazz have to overpay, I hope they chase guys at MAX or near MAX levels. Add a piece that can become a part of the core moving forward.
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Not sayng you're wrng but I'm not sure I agree. I'd rather pay Crabbe 4 years/56M than Blazemore 4 years/72M or thereabouts.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Not sayng you're wrng but I'm not sure I agree. I'd rather pay Crabbe 4 years/56M than Blazemore 4 years/72M or thereabouts.
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I actually wasn't suggesting they sign either guy. If I were DL, my top two targets are DeMar DeRozan and Pau Gasol. Draft for upside and then try to go big in free agency.

Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, DeRozan, Hood and Exum (with Burks and Gasol to boot). That's an ambitious offseason.
 
I never said those guys made the Jazz contender's by themselves. I said they would help depth and build a squad to where they could contend.

yall get offended way too easily.

This is just (A) way I think the Jazz could create depth and pieces to move around in the future.

If you don't think DL stays up late throwing around different, maybe even crazy ideas of how to make the team better, you are crazy.
 
SLCHooper said:
I never said those guys made the Jazz contender's by themselves. I said they would help depth and build a squad to where they could contend.

yall get offended way too easily.

This is just (A) way I think the Jazz could create depth and pieces to move around in the future.

If you don't think DL stays up late throwing around different, maybe even crazy ideas of how to make the team better, you are crazy.
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Jazz had one of the worst benches in the league last year. A healthy Burks and Exum helps with that, but none of the guys listed will move the needle any more than keeping Booker. Jazz need to aim higher if they want to make the playoffs and actually do something.

To be a contender, they need a star. Depth won't do much to move them that way (unless the depth they add are starter quality.)
 
So you sign Gasol and DeRozan and tell Rudy and Hood they are going to the bench. So now you've pissed off two of your better players. It doesn't really matter because I highly doubt Gasol or DeRozan would sign here.
 
This offseason is going to be fun to watch. Money is going to be spent in piles. There are a few ways the jazz could build this summer

1 - persure a big name free agent selling them on growing with this unit. People like conley, derozan and batum. The jazz have to spend some money this offseason.

2 - keep baking the cake. Keep everyone in tact and over pay for a vet leader like dudley or bazemore.

3 - there are those that see a major move like trading hayward or favors to bring in the potential star young stud. This is the gamble. It could pay off or put the jazz in rebuild mode again.

4 - the talent swap is also a way to build. The jazz trade away a solid player for maybe an under performing young player. Like a burks for avery type of deal. This is a calculated gamble. If burks comes back stays healthy and explodes the jazz will look bad.

5 - last but not least is to do what the jazz are doing. Work with what we have add talent in the draft and hope they find their thompson or green or gobert.
 
cowhide said:
So you sign Gasol and DeRozan and tell Rudy and Hood they are going to the bench. So now you've pissed off two of your better players. It doesn't really matter because I highly doubt Gasol or DeRozan would sign here.
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