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I thought Ty made a mistake taking both Kanter and Favors out of the game after they were very instrumental in the run that basically won the game. Millsap and Jefferson gave up some easy offensive rebounds that could have cost us that game. I'm not saying they both should have finished but felt that either Kanter or Favors should have been in for the stretch run.
 
"It wasn’t the offense of the two young Jazz bigs that made the difference in the Jazz win. It was the defense. I sent out about 10 different tweets during the game regarding their defense on Bynum each well deserving of the 140 characters, it was fabulous."

Which indicates to me that Ty is playing the bigs wrong. Sap and Big Slow = great experience, great offense, p-poor defense. Favors and Kanter = little experience, weak offense, great defense. Why not mix that up? Play favors with Al and kanter with Sap. Tough luck if one of them, Sap or Al, is not a starter anymore. They can still get their minutes. How much better would we have been off if Bynum was kept under control by the youngsters the whole game, instead of just 15-20 minutes? He was eating up Al and Sap.

Is this too hard to understand, or is Ty just too afraid to p-off one of the vets?

I think Ty's strategy to gradually bring both Favors and Kanter along by playing them in the 2nd unit against subs has worked. It's given them valuable practice time and confidence. There's a lot of talk about how they both defended Bynum. But a lot of the time they were matched up against Murphy and McRoberts - and to be honest they're pretty soft and not that great, even as a 2nd unit.

I still think play Favors and Kanter against 2nd unit bigs a bit more to develop more confidence both offensively and defensively is the way to go. It'll also keep Jefferson and Millsap happy in the meantime, which I think is quite important from the team unity stand point. (vets seems to make more noise about playing time and starting roles than rookies). I think Ty has got the balance just right in the meantime (unless either Kanter or Favors suddenly start playing at an All Star level).
 
One thing I can nitpick on about Kanter is that a couple of times he went up for rebounds a bit soft, and a Laker player went after it more aggresively and pulled it down. I'd love to see him get a little nasty going after the boards. He's working hard and making great strides, and it might not be in his nature, but just a little something to keep an eye on.
You're joking, right?
 
16 TOTAL Laker points scored by players not in the big three. Does anyone besides myself see that this is a "flawed" Laker team. Compete for a championship? Without some serious roster moves they will have trouble competing for third place in the division. To me this just makes their letting Odom go very puzzling. And we think we have issues with KOC!

I am as impatient as anyone can be to see Kanter get more minutes and continue improving. Totally defer to what TyCo is doing, it's working. Bring him along slowly by all means.

The Lakers gave up this season (and Odom) to go after Howard and/or Deron. It's that simple. They want to get Howard via trade and have the room to sign Deron. Hence, the shedding of contracts.
 
You're joking, right?

He's right. Kanter's problem is the fact he doesn't know how to rebound. Just like Favor's problem is his lack of athleticism, and Burks' is not being aggressive enough!
 
I think Ty's strategy to gradually bring both Favors and Kanter along by playing them in the 2nd unit against subs has worked. It's given them valuable practice time and confidence.
The youngins' practice time and confidence would likely be increased, not decreased, by pairing them with a veteran player rather than fumbling out there together, which has happened in multiple games (less so against a tired Flaker team).

There's a lot of talk about how they both defended Bynum. But a lot of the time they were matched up against Murphy and McRoberts - and to be honest they're pretty soft and not that great, even as a 2nd unit.
Yes, but unless you didn't see or listen to the game, you would recognize that both Kanter and Favors had plays on the starting bigs--and that either or both of them improved within the game, as evidenced by the confirmation that Tinsley talked to Kanter at halftime about Bynum's spin move, and that Bynum had fewer lobs against Kanter in the second half.

I still think play Favors and Kanter against 2nd unit bigs a bit more to develop more confidence both offensively and defensively is the way to go. It'll also keep Jefferson and Millsap happy in the meantime, which I think is quite important from the team unity stand point.
What does keeping "Jefferson and Millsap happy" mean? They've been playing an luxury of minutes, and a case can be made that each of them can be made happier by playing alongside a young big who is a better defender, leaving the one who remains on the court more shooting and a bit less work (or more effectiveness on defense). That sounds like more happiness than having to share the shots more evenly when they are both on the court. I reckon that Millsap especially gets p.o.'d at AJ's weak D and abundant shooting; the Paperboy should be elated to play alongside Kanter especially, who provides more toughness and rebounding then Milquetoast Al.

I think Ty has got the balance just right in the meantime (unless either Kanter or Favors suddenly start playing at an All Star level).
I respectfully disagree. While Corbin is at least giving Kanter and Favors regualar PT and usually >10 MPG, the team would be likely be even more effective if the young bigs got a few more minutes--especially when they are doing well and when either or both of the starting bigs are not. It doesn't make sense to keep players--even starters or "cornerstones"--on the court when they are sucking wind and when there is a backup that can sometimes do better. (This principle is especially evident at the PG spot; why Harris continues to get a free pass when he doesn't pass (or shoot well) is beyond me).
 
I'm a she, not a he. Kanter has very good rebounding numbers, and that's definitely one of his strengths. I'm just saying that there's still room for him to be an absolute beast. Like I said, it's a nit picky thing, but something I have noticed.
 
Excellent article indeed! Thanks for the post.
Now we know Coach Ty hasn't just been blowing smoke with his comments regarding team chemistry. These young'uns are ALL quick studies; great to see them growing up on the court right before our eyes!
 
What does keeping "Jefferson and Millsap happy" mean?

For the record - I'm not against playing Favors or Kanter with either Jefferson or Millsap. I'm just not ready to give them the starting job just yet.

Keeping Jefferson & Millsap happy simply means starting them. I think to them, they think that they've earned the right to start. So to suddenly give a starting spot to a youngin' just so that "they can get the experience" would be total bull to them.

I don't think it's a secret that Millsap wasn't happy coming off the bench in the first few games that Ty started Favors. He was pissed off. The same would be the case to an even more sensitive Jefferson.

I know we'd like to think that we live in a world that players just do what they're told, but they're human too, with emotions. They believe they've earned the right to start (and I would agree). As long as either Favors or Kanter hasn't proved that they're suddenly turned to Blake Griffin overnight - they'll still need to wait their turn.
 
For the record - I'm not against playing Favors or Kanter with either Jefferson or Millsap. I'm just not ready to give them the starting job just yet.

Keeping Jefferson & Millsap happy simply means starting them. I think to them, they think that they've earned the right to start. So to suddenly give a starting spot to a youngin' just so that "they can get the experience" would be total bull to them.

I don't think it's a secret that Millsap wasn't happy coming off the bench in the first few games that Ty started Favors. He was pissed off. The same would be the case to an even more sensitive Jefferson.

I know we'd like to think that we live in a world that players just do what they're told, but they're human too, with emotions. They believe they've earned the right to start (and I would agree). As long as either Favors or Kanter hasn't proved that they're suddenly turned to Blake Griffin overnight - they'll still need to wait their turn.

I could hardly disagree more. I know what you are saying it is often common wisdom, "let them earn their minutes" etc etc. I reject it though. The team, the fans, the organization deserve to have the best combo of players out there as often as possible. If that means a rookie or 2nd year man starts instead of vet, then let it be so if it means winning more games.

And if they get p-offed about not starting, that is what HCs are for. Ty is getting paid a lot to be the head guy. If Paul or Al cannot deal with coming off the bench when that would benefit the team, well, screw 'em. Thats what trades are for.
 
I could hardly disagree more. I know what you are saying it is often common wisdom, "let them earn their minutes" etc etc. I reject it though. The team, the fans, the organization deserve to have the best combo of players out there as often as possible. If that means a rookie or 2nd year man starts instead of vet, then let it be so if it means winning more games.

And if they get p-offed about not starting, that is what HCs are for. Ty is getting paid a lot to be the head guy. If Paul or Al cannot deal with coming off the bench when that would benefit the team, well, screw 'em. Thats what trades are for.

Man I'd hate to have you as the GM of my team. You'll have a whole lot of pissy vets boycotting practices (ala Prince/Hamilton in Detroit?). You'll be looking left right and centre for trades, etc, etc.

As I've said - if these rookies/2nd year players are playing at an extremely high level consistently, then by all means start them. But as of this moment in time, I do not think either Favors or Kanter are playing up to that level on a CONSISTENT BASIS yet. No Sir-ree. OK Favors scored 12 points last night - but can you count him consistently to do that? How about say in the next game against NY? Against the likes of Chandler and Ama're? Can you seriously throw the ball to Favors/Kanter with Chandler guarding him and say give me 2? Are you kidding me?
 
Man I'd hate to have you as the GM of my team. You'll have a whole lot of pissy vets boycotting practices (ala Prince/Hamilton in Detroit?). You'll be looking left right and centre for trades, etc, etc.

As I've said - if these rookies/2nd year players are playing at an extremely high level consistently, then by all means start them. But as of this moment in time, I do not think either Favors or Kanter are playing up to that level on a CONSISTENT BASIS yet. No Sir-ree. OK Favors scored 12 points last night - but can you count him consistently to do that? How about say in the next game against NY? Against the likes of Chandler and Ama're? Can you seriously throw the ball to Favors/Kanter with Chandler guarding him and say give me 2? Are you kidding me?

One of the few times I agree with you.
 
Man I'd hate to have you as the GM of my team. You'll have a whole lot of pissy vets boycotting practices (ala Prince/Hamilton in Detroit?). You'll be looking left right and centre for trades, etc, etc.

As I've said - if these rookies/2nd year players are playing at an extremely high level consistently, then by all means start them. But as of this moment in time, I do not think either Favors or Kanter are playing up to that level on a CONSISTENT BASIS yet. No Sir-ree. OK Favors scored 12 points last night - but can you count him consistently to do that? How about say in the next game against NY? Against the likes of Chandler and Ama're? Can you seriously throw the ball to Favors/Kanter with Chandler guarding him and say give me 2? Are you kidding me?


I really hope your name in real life isn't Nick, because it would make me hate your username even more.

I do agree with your point, though.
 
I really hope your name in real life isn't Nick, because it would make me hate your username even more.

I do agree with your point, though.

LOL.. no it's not Nick.

Your signature's interesting though, cos according to ESPN Kanter's averaging 13.9 Rebounds per 40 min, which works out to be 10.425 per 30 min.

Just sayin'
 
I could hardly disagree more. I know what you are saying it is often common wisdom, "let them earn their minutes" etc etc. I reject it though. The team, the fans, the organization deserve to have the best combo of players out there as often as possible. If that means a rookie or 2nd year man starts instead of vet, then let it be so if it means winning more games.

And if they get p-offed about not starting, that is what HCs are for. Ty is getting paid a lot to be the head guy. If Paul or Al cannot deal with coming off the bench when that would benefit the team, well, screw 'em. Thats what trades are for.

This is why I sometimes agree with a famous quote "If a coach starts listening to the fans, he winds up sitting next to them".

One should have a hard time proving that providing vast amount of PT for rookies, sophomores GUARANTEES a greater and faster development for them. "Rebuiling" is BS, to me. As I have said in numerous occasions, it's a mix of bad franchise management by GM and disrespect to fans and the game of basketball.

I have witnessed some 2nd round picks, late 1st round picks playing for contending teams, championship teams -with little PT- prove to be A LOT better, matured and reliable NBA players than lottery picks who get all the PT a player can get in a basketball game, who play vast amount of GARBAGE TIME because their team flat out sucks, consists of unproven youngsters and lacks leadership as well as veteran players who can get them understand the NBA game, can offer some valuable inside, tricks, advices.

I am very happy with the way the Jazz develop their players. Favors w/ 20-22 min/game in a team like the Jazz >>>>>>>>> Monroe w/ 30-35 min/game in a terrible "trying to rebuild (but has been TERRIBLE for last couple of years)" Pistons team. IMO, that's how you achieve a consistency in your franchise culture.
 
LOL.. no it's not Nick.

Your signature's interesting though, cos according to ESPN Kanter's averaging 13.9 Rebounds per 40 min, which works out to be 10.425 per 30 min.

Just sayin'

At first I put it there out of disbelief, because Sepanol made this claim before the season started. I plan on keeping it till the end of the season, to see if Sepanol called it; cuz, quite frankly, he was probably the only person on this board that thought Kanter was gonna come remotely close to averaging 10 rebounds in 30 minutes.
 
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