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An explanation of why, mathematically, this has been the most frustration Jazz season of all time.

Quin Snyder was on the radio this week with Spencer Checketts and Gordon Monson. He essentially said exactly what I did in the OP.

Didn't give me any credit though :(
 
Last season was definitely one of the most disappointing in recent memory. Thinking back at the losses, think if you have a veteran leader at point guard who can be relied on to quarterback the team we don't blow as many leads as we did.
 
I would do Crowder for Burks. That's it. The former isn't that good but has some toughness and could become the great perimeter defender we need. I think I would love that trafe actually. Just not a big Burks fan.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I would do Crowder for Burks. That's it. The former isn't that good but has some toughness and could become the great perimeter defender we need. I think I would love that trafe actually. Just not a big Burks fan.
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That's an interesting trade idea, actually. Both teams could see it as a way to balance out the skill set of their guards. I don't know how interested I am (for me, it might come down to who we draft), but it is worth considering.
 
NAOS said:
That's an interesting trade idea, actually. Both teams could see it as a way to balance out the skill set of their guards. I don't know how interested I am (for me, it might come down to who we draft), but it is worth considering.
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One problem may be Crowder starts for them and may become disenchanted here. Still, I would really like that trade. You do that and sign Conley, and draft Maker, our toughness goes up 10x.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I would do Crowder for Burks. That's it. The former isn't that good but has some toughness and could become the great perimeter defender we need. I think I would love that trafe actually. Just not a big Burks fan.
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I don't know if Celtics would do it since Burks has missed a lot of games the past two seasons.

When your giving a guy 10 million a year you better hope he can play more than 30 games
 
I got five pages in and I didn't see my thought posted, so here it is:

Why does Snyder get such a HUGE pass around here?

The problem wasn't injuries, or we would have seen a huge drop off when our players went down. Our problem was the 4th quarter.

That's the beginning and end of it. We suck in the 4th quarter. Yeah, it would be nice to have more talent...but why is our talent so great the first three quarters and then we disappear in the 4th?

We were out coached in the 4th quarter. Other teams made adjustments. We did the same thing we did all game...and fell apart.

I'm not saying we should move on from Snyder, I like the extension. I'd rather they hired Horny mid-season when Corbin was terrible...but that's neither here nor there.

BUT, Snyder needs to get better and get better fast. HE was what held us back last year.
 
there's nothing quite like the smell of nostalgia for one meaningless game approximately 9 months ago. You smell that?
 
green said:
I got five pages in and I didn't see my thought posted, so here it is:

Why does Snyder get such a HUGE pass around here?

The problem wasn't injuries, or we would have seen a huge drop off when our players went down. Our problem was the 4th quarter.

That's the beginning and end of it. We suck in the 4th quarter. Yeah, it would be nice to have more talent...but why is our talent so great the first three quarters and then we disappear in the 4th?

We were out coached in the 4th quarter. Other teams made adjustments. We did the same thing we did all game...and fell apart.

I'm not saying we should move on from Snyder, I like the extension. I'd rather they hired Horny mid-season when Corbin was terrible...but that's neither here nor there.

BUT, Snyder needs to get better and get better fast. HE was what held us back last year.
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Dude, we did not do the same thing in the 4th quarter. Do you watch games? When healthy, our rotations were markedly different during the last 6 minutes than at any other time of the game.
 
green said:
I got five pages in and I didn't see my thought posted, so here it is:

Why does Snyder get such a HUGE pass around here?

The problem wasn't injuries, or we would have seen a huge drop off when our players went down. Our problem was the 4th quarter.

That's the beginning and end of it. We suck in the 4th quarter. Yeah, it would be nice to have more talent...but why is our talent so great the first three quarters and then we disappear in the 4th?

We were out coached in the 4th quarter. Other teams made adjustments. We did the same thing we did all game...and fell apart.

I'm not saying we should move on from Snyder, I like the extension. I'd rather they hired Horny mid-season when Corbin was terrible...but that's neither here nor there.

BUT, Snyder needs to get better and get better fast. HE was what held us back last year.
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I strongly disagree with the premise of this post (that it was a coaching problem), but nevertheless, the fact that Snyder on the radio not only acknowledged the issue (our defensive rebounding going to hell in the clutch), but also mentioned that maybe it's his fault and something they need to look into more thoroughly, is an extremely encouraging sign to me.

I think Snyder's great. He hasn't been perfect obviously, but it wouldn't exactly be fair to expect him to be. He's demonstrated the ability to learn from his mistakes already, and the players all seem to love and respect the hell out of him.
 
green said:
I got five pages in and I didn't see my thought posted, so here it is:

Why does Snyder get such a HUGE pass around here?

The problem wasn't injuries, or we would have seen a huge drop off when our players went down. Our problem was the 4th quarter.

That's the beginning and end of it. We suck in the 4th quarter. Yeah, it would be nice to have more talent...but why is our talent so great the first three quarters and then we disappear in the 4th?

We were out coached in the 4th quarter. Other teams made adjustments. We did the same thing we did all game...and fell apart.
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Yep. We fell apart in the 4th quarter. Good call, *******.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-4th-quarter-margin

FWIW, we were +0.7 in the 1st (8th best), +0.1 in the 2nd (14th), and +0.5 in both the 3rd (7th) and the 4th (10th) resepctively, so yeah...we fell apart...in the 2nd quarter. But keep talkin' out your ***.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Yep. We fell apart in the 4th quarter. Good call, *******.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-4th-quarter-margin

FWIW, we were +0.7 in the 1st (8th best), +0.1 in the 2nd (14th), and +0.5 in both the 3rd (7th) and the 4th (10th) resepctively, so yeah...we fell apart...in the 2nd quarter. But keep talkin' out your ***.
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First of all, what is it with this site? Is is seriously just a bunch of illiterate, six year olds? The childish name calling...is just pathetic. Be better.

What I was alluding to was what the OP brought up:

The point I want to illustrate is, in aggregate, we had a HUGE volume of losses of this nature - where we had a solid 4th quarter lead or a lead very late. stats.nba.com has clutch stats for every team, which shows, among other things, each team's offensive rating and defensive rating (points scored and allowed per 100 possessions, respectively), in situations where the game was within 5 points with 5 or fewer minutes remaining, Utah's defensive rating was a staggeringly awful 120.6 - good for 27th in the NBA. Their offensive efficiency was 104.8, which was 19th in the NBA.

A note - you'd expect offensive and defensive efficiency ratings to both increase in the clutch because of all the intentional fouling going on. Throughout the entire season, our offensive rating was 15th in the NBA (103.2), and our defensive rating was 7th in the NBA (101.5). So while our offense in the clutch was slightly worse than it was overall (15th to 19th), our defense in the clutch completely dropped off a cliff (7th to 27th).
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But yeah, you earned your man card tonight. Way to show the internet how tough you are. Good call.
 
green said:
First of all, what is it with this site? Is is seriously just a bunch of illiterate, six year olds? The childish name calling...is just pathetic. Be better.

What I was alluding to was what the OP brought up:



But yeah, you earned your man card tonight. Way to show the internet how tough you are. Good call.
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If you don't like the name-calling, don't post dumb ****. Better yet, leave.
 
I only read the first page here and the analysis passes the eye test. Except for one stat that wasn't taken into account here. Amount of apologies the NBA gave out to the Jazz vs our opponents in games that were closer than 5 points in the last 2 minutes. It was pretty clear that the NBA refs didn't appear to have their best games when the Jazz were in close matches either. The list of apologies against us was detailed in a +/- apology report about midseason. There was plenty of data supporting a hack job by the refs. The eye test (for someone who has never rarely if ever suggested the refs blew it) was pretty clear as well. You give us back just 5 of those missed calls at key times in key games and we would have made the playoffs. Add a +/- report of nba apologies in those 16 games and my bet is we are an even -10 or below. OKC would be a clean +12 in their favor. If we can't figure out how to get respect from the refs then next season will be another battle to the end.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I only read the first page here and the analysis passes the eye test. Except for one stat that wasn't taken into account here. Amount of apologies the NBA gave out to the Jazz vs our opponents in games that were closer than 5 points in the last 2 minutes. It was pretty clear that the NBA refs didn't appear to have their best games when the Jazz were in close matches either. The list of apologies against us was detailed in a +/- apology report about midseason. There was plenty of data supporting a hack job by the refs. The eye test (for someone who has never rarely if ever suggested the refs blew it) was pretty clear as well. You give us back just 5 of those missed calls at key times in key games and we would have made the playoffs. Add a +/- report of nba apologies in those 16 games and my bet is we are an even -10 or below. OKC would be a clean +12 in their favor. If we can't figure out how to get respect from the refs then next season will be another battle to the end.
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Great point. It was just a ****ed up season
 
The beauty of having a superstar is they know how to close out games like the ones listed. Not only did the stars of other teams close us out, we got closed out by teams that sucked more than we did. We need a bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep super star. Gordon Hayward sucks, Jazz front office sucks, do something for bleep sake. If DL or KOC was in front of me,they would reply, "Lets see what happens over the next 10 years."
 
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