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And Dwill thought he had it bad here........

InGameStrategy said:
I don't want Deron back because rarely if ever has a max PG led a team to a title.

See Fisher (definitely not max player), Rondo (was still a rookie contract), Parker (at about $10 million at the time), Chauncey Billups (MVP, but making about $5.5 million at the time).

Jason Kidd was an exception, but Cuban had to overpay (via trade) to get him, and Kidd was a crucial piece, not a cornerstone.

Why?

Because max contracts should be reserved for legit shooters and bigs.

And as good a shooter as Deron is, he doesn't quite fit the bill.

The Clippers are already a flawed team financially by having CP3 (although they maybe have a chance while Griffin is on his rookie contract).

And unless Hayward or Miles or even Burks figure it out, Utah needs a legit shooter more than a point guard. I would like to see Burks develop into a combo.
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I want Deron back. Didn't catch the rest of what you said.
 
InGameStrategy said:
I don't want Deron back because rarely if ever has a max PG led a team to a title.

See Fisher (definitely not max player), Rondo (was still a rookie contract), Parker (at about $10 million at the time), Chauncey Billups (MVP, but making about $5.5 million at the time).

Jason Kidd was an exception, but Cuban had to overpay (via trade) to get him, and Kidd was a crucial piece, not a cornerstone.

Why?

Because max contracts should be reserved for legit shooters and bigs.

And as good a shooter as Deron is, he doesn't quite fit the bill.

The Clippers are already a flawed team financially by having CP3 (although they maybe have a chance while Griffin is on his rookie contract).

And unless Hayward or Miles or even Burks figure it out, Utah needs a legit shooter more than a point guard. I would like to see Burks develop into a combo.
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Couldn't have said it better. Pay the money to Favors if he turns into an all-star and retain the other young players. PG should not be a MAX salary. Besides, all reports say the locker room was pretty bad last season. Deron is too full of himself now. Ball movement stops when he's at PG. He walks the ball up the court and then spends 10 seconds seeing if he can break down his opponent with a crossover. I absolutely hate the player Williams became.
 
billyshelby said:
I want Deron back. Didn't catch the rest of what you said.
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Cool story, bro.

Short form, for your convenience: I want Deron back, but only at 1/2 to 2/3 his salary, which is the historical price range for championship-level point guards.

Since he won't return to Utah for that amount, a plenty adequate PG (not named Devin or Deron) can be had at that price--or more feasibly and economically, can be groomed or maybe drafted for far less.

TPE, anyone?
 
Deron isn't happy? Avery Johnson better polish up his resume. Which of the Nets players will be the first to get blasted for being the reason for the losing?

Watching the Daily Deron Moody Meter from afar makes me more glad that KOC, Greg & Mamma dealt him. Go Jazz.
 
You guys crack me up. The DW hate on this board isn't shocking but I find it funny as hell. Where are you getting that DW is unhappy with Avery Johnson? Don't you know the Jazz have a player who didn't get along with AJ so it isn't a big deal if he was upset with AJ. I haven't heard anything about this so is this just another imaginary idea that DW haters have made up ( like the AK and DW hate each other or DW forced Sloan to retire). Get over the fact that DW isn't here anymore, he got TRADED so the Jazz could get something for him if he decided to leave in FREE agency. KOC made a smart move but it isn't because DW sucks or dominates the ball. 23 pts. 8 rebounds and 8 assists and getting the win is what matters.

Now before you all call me a DW homer, I was upset initially with the trade but I see why the Jazz did it. However, I would have to be an idiot to think that DW isn't one of the top 3 PGs in the league. Regardless of how you feel about the guy he is talented. To say he could have handle last year better certainly has merit. I am sure the injury to his wrist had something to do with his mood. Many of you guys who criticize DW posted some of the same frustrations with the roster as DW mentioned. The Jazz were not getting any better and like many people he became frustrated. Does it excuse him from throwing the ball at Hayward. Absolutely NOT! However, the guy didn't murder any one, he was involved with the community and never said he wanted to be traded or that he hated Utah.
 
Beantown said:
Is that how cool people say championship?
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Yes cool people are far too important and busy to use the rest of the letters in the middle.
 
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I watched 3 minutes of the nets game and can tell you they suck beyond measure and are broken beyond repair. They may as well forfeit the rest of the season. Losers.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I watched 3 minutes of the nets game and can tell you they suck beyond measure and are broken beyond repair. They may as well forfeit the rest of the season. Losers.
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Nah man... just trade coaches with the Lakers. Mike Brown's great at just letting a superstar or two do their thing.
 
billyshelby said:
Wouldn't work. We won't have the cap space by a long margin. But the Nets are going to have an impossible time signing him to an extension if they can't figure out a way to get Dwight.
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Amenesty Jefferson Badda Bing Badda Boom.

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Can I get an amen?
 
Mr. McGibblets said:
I guess the jazz will just have to amnesty Devin Harris then.
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Now, now, Gibblets, billy has thought of everything. If you start saying stuff like this then he'll have to defend his honor.

billyshelby said:
Not sure if that's enough, but it's interesting to think the Jazz could amnesty Jefferson to get Deron back. Problem with reacquiring Deron is signing guys going forward. You'd have to KNOW Favors was going to be a star. Can't imagine we'll be solid enough that a fantastical idea like getting Deron back would even become more realistic.
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Yawn.
 
P.S. Okur looks absolutely terrible thus far. I'm beginning to get the feeling KOC could save/is saving this franchise. We couldn't properly evaluate what he did in the LHM/Sloan era as he was clearly the 3rd guy in that chain. Right now we're seein him be 1st or tied for 1st and we can better see where his worth is. So far, I like the direction.
 
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