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Annual Rotation and Minutes Thread

If age and injuries have not slowed Thabo down he will get more minutes than Royce and maybe Crowder.

He had a career best year last year and was our best player until he got injured. Partially because Mitchell was still learning and Gobert was out hurt but he was really good.
 
Ron Mexico said:
If age and injuries have not slowed Thabo down he will get more minutes than Royce and maybe Crowder.

He had a career best year last year and was our best player until he got injured. Partially because Mitchell was still learning and Gobert was out hurt but he was really good.
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I get that but the fact is that he is old, coming off injury, suspended, and we were basically the best team in the entire league and made a nice run in the playoffs while he was not playing. And he is only under contract for one more year. I think the jazz only picked up his contract for injury insurance and because it doesn’t hurt them financially to do so.
 
fishonjazz said:
I get that but the fact is that he is old, coming off injury, suspended, and we were basically the best team in the entire league and made a nice run in the playoffs while he was not playing. And he is only under contract for one more year. I think the jazz only picked up his contract for injury insurance and because it doesn’t hurt them financially to do so.
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At the very least he will get jerebko's minutes.
 
fishonjazz said:
I get that but the fact is that he is old, coming off injury, suspended, and we were basically the best team in the entire league and made a nice run in the playoffs while he was not playing. And he is only under contract for one more year. I think the jazz only picked up his contract for injury insurance and because it doesn’t hurt them financially to do so.
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Well, we also were playing the easiest part of our schedule during that time when we went on a win streak and we had Gobert back. Sef played great during our toughest stretch of games against the best teams. He matches up great against the top teams.

He was also old last year but he still had a career best year. Another year working with Snyder and he could be even more improved. I did expect much out of him when we signed him but he was really good.

As far as 1 more year goes that does not matter. We are in win now mode. Snyder is going to play the guys that give us the best chance to win.

I think they picked up his contract because he is good and exactly the type of player we need. He plays great defense at 4 positions 1-4, hits his threes, can create, and is a team player.

I dont know how much the injury is going to change him. I think that it wont be a factor and he has probably recovered but we will have to see. As far as the suspension goes it is only 5 games. That isnt a big deal.
 
fishonjazz said:
In a close hard fought game when we are healthy

Point guard: Rubio 30 minutes, Exum 13 minutes, Mitchell 5 minutes (if X plays well he gets all 18 back up minutes)

Shooting guard: Spida 34 minutes, Exum 8 minutes, Allen 6 minutes (again, if X plays well then Mitchell doesn’t play any pg and his minutes at the sg go up to 37 with X getting 11 minutes at backup sg)

Small forward: ingles 29 minutes, rolls Royce 19 minutes

Power Forward: favors 18 minutes, Crowder 30 minutes

Center: Stifle Tower 35 minutes, favors 13 minutes

Exum is the hardest to predict imo. If he plays well I could see him getting close to 30 minutes per game between the 1 and the 2 leaving nothing for Allen, Burks or Neto. If he plays poorly then I could see him getting around 20 minutes per game and Allen, Burks, and/or neto could be in the rotation.

I have a hard time seeing thabo, Burks, neto, udoh, niang, etc getting many minutes at all in a close game while the team is healthy. Maybe thabo gets some but I struggle to see where. Maybe some scraps at power forward? I figure favors and crowder should get all those minutes and ingles and O’Neal should get all the small forward minutes and Mitchell, Rubio, Exum, and Allen getting all the 1/2 minutes.

I expect crowder to be much improved this year.
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I think Thabo plays in front of Crowder at the 4.
 
PG - Rubio (29), Exum (19)
SG - Mitchell (33), Allen (10), Burks (5)
SF - Ingles (28), O'Neal (16) Sefolosha (4)
PF - Favors (12), Crowder (28), Sefolosha (8)
C - Gobert (32), Favors (16)

Neto, Bradley, Udoh, ? as needed due to injury/trade/garbage/fouls.

Minute battles - Allen/Burks, Sefolosha/O'Neal Either of these could swing either direction. Sefolosha depends a lot on if he can bounce back from injury.
 
Bench
Exum -
Royce -
Crowder -
Thabo -
Allen -

Damn I really like our bench. The biggest factor will be Exum's development and health. If he can stay healthy I think he takes a leap this year.
The Jazz brass know the talent is there. He can be a nice contributor off the bench. If he can hold up I see up being a top 4 team in the West.

It's such a razon thin margin between the second tier teams that any player exploding can push us over the top. I think Exum is ahem, the X factor in us being better than last year. We have some pop coming off the bench with X, Royce, Crowder, etc. Defense, energy, hustle, shooting. It's all there. I think an elite shooter or shooting specialist is all we are really missing (but a lot of teams are).
 
Pg- Rubio 30 min, Exum 18 min.
Sg- Mitchell 36 min, Exum 8 min., O’Neale 4 min.
Sf- Ingles 28 min, Sefolosha 10 min., O’Neale 10 min.
Pf- Favors 16 min., Crowder 22 min., Sefolosha 10 min
C- Gobert 36 min, Favors 12 min

As it is, Exum, Favors and O’Neale could probably use more minutes. Snyder really seems to like Crowder, so he’ll probably get more minutes than he deserves. I don’t see minutes for Burks or Allen, Udoh or Bradley or Neto, all of whom probably deserve minutes. Minutes are going to be hard to come by unless someone goes down to injury.
 
Those of you putting Crowder at 25+ minutes at PF and Favors so little are insane.

Jonas @ PF >>>>>>>> Crowder at PF. That's why losing him hurt the depth chart so much.

Crowder is a massive offensive liability and his undersized body needs to be paired with another undersized body who can shoot and cover the switch (Ingles and Thabo). He's not a power forward and neither are they. It'll be PF by committee this season when Favors isn't locking it down.
 
Looking at some lineup data this AM on NBA Wowy... Interesting notes.

Jazz with projected starting lineup on the floor Offensive RTG 113 Defensive RTG 99.
Jazz with Crowder subbed in for Favs in starting lineup Off 123 Def 92 - Limited sample size here... but Crowder didn't shoot well... just more space I'm guessing. Only 200 min with that lineup.
Jazz with 4 man group of Rudy, DM, Ricky, Joe Off 114 Def 95... swap Favs for Rudy and we are 112 and 106 (still quite good).

All of these are very good... for reference the death lineup for GS is 126 and 108... the starting lineup is 122 and 111 with Zaza in for Iggy.

Last year Hood and Johnson murdered us... most negative players.

So I'm interested to see what the starting lineup does... how many minutes we can get with Crowder and the starting group... and eventually what the team looks like with a really good shooter at the 4. Jae is worse than most think imo. If we replaced him with someone that shot 40% vs. 34% and wasn't a sieve on defense... how good would we be? If you replace him with a super role player/sharp shooter like Otto Porter I think we might actually be a contender (his on/off stuff is intriguing... he might be the player that helps them play winning basketball more than Wall or Beal).

Anyway... if Rudy, DM, Joe and Ricky stay healthy we will be really effing good.
 
PG- Rubio/Exum/Mitchell/Neto
SG- Mitchell/O'neale/Allen/Burks
SF- Ingles/Crowder/O'neale/Sefolosha
PF- Favors/Crowder/Sefolosha/Niang
C- Gobert/Favors/Udoh/Bradley

PG- Rubio starts. Exum will receive the majority of the bench minutes if healthy. Mitchell will get some minutes there. Neto will be in his usual role of providing minutes when needed.

SG- Mitchell is the man and may get a slight minutes increase. O'neale will likely continue to be the primary backup here. I think Allen will likely take the minutes Burks received last year, assuming he plays well.

SF- Ingles will start. The backup minutes will be spread out between Crowder, Sef and O'neale.

PF- Favs starts. I think Crowder will get most of the backup minutes. Sef will get some too. Niang will get some minutes in a pinch.

C- Gobert starts. Favs gets most of the backup minutes. Udoh gets a few minutes as well.

Starters- Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Favors, Gobert

Key bench contributors- Crowder, Exum, O'neale, Sef

In rotation- Allen, Udoh

Reserves/Spot minutes- Neto, Burks, Niang, Bradley
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Last year Hood and Johnson murdered us... most negative players.

So I'm interested to see what the starting lineup does... how many minutes we can get with Crowder and the starting group... and eventually what the team looks like with a really good shooter at the 4. Jae is worse than most think imo. If we replaced him with someone that shot 40% vs. 34% and wasn't a sieve on defense... how good would we be? If you replace him with a super role player/sharp shooter like Otto Porter I think we might actually be a contender (his on/off stuff is intriguing... he might be the player that helps them play winning basketball more than Wall or Beal).

Anyway... if Rudy, DM, Joe and Ricky stay healthy we will be really effing good.
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I think it gets underrated how bad JJ hurt us, and I also think it gets overrated how "bad" Crowder is. That was a gigantic upgrade. Of course the Jazz can get better at the position but Crowder did really well, especially if you look past individual statistics and look at how the team does with him. I know it's an easy comparison but think Smart on the Celtics.
 
Donovan played 33.4 minutes last year. I don't really think that should increase, must keep him healthy.
PG: Rubio 30, Exum 12, Mitchell 6
SG: Mitchell 26, Exum 12, O'Neale 5, Allen 5
SF: Ingles 30, Sefalosha 12, O'Neale 6
PF: Favors 12, Sefalosha 10, Crowder 26
C: Gobert 32, Favors 16

But since this is per game, and they don't all play 82 games, there will be plenty minutes for the rest.
 
karl malone said:
I'd be shocked if Allen doesn't see significant playing time at some point this season. Likely sooner than later imo.
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Allens definitely going to be getting a lot of playing time. Exum will only play about 20 games this season and neto will probably miss half with injuries
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So I'm interested to see what the starting lineup does... how many minutes we can get with Crowder and the starting group... and eventually what the team looks like with a really good shooter at the 4. Jae is worse than most think imo. If we replaced him with someone that shot 40% vs. 34% and wasn't a sieve on defense... how good would we be?
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I'm really hoping that the coaching staff will be able to help Jae improve his shooting, similar to what they did with Rubio this past season. If he could just get up to around 38% from 3 it would be a huge help.
 
Jingled said:
I'm really hoping that the coaching staff will be able to help Jae improve his shooting, similar to what they did with Rubio this past season. If he could just get up to around 38% from 3 it would be a huge help.
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I could see that... he has some weird stuff that goes on with his feet on his shot... kinda kicks his leg out funny. Point is... there is some stuff they can help clean up. He's done it before and I do appreciate that he's a willing shooter (sometimes too willing)... we need that. He's done it before and Thabo, Jonas, Rubio, Joe have all shot better here or improved.
 
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