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Another car bomb killed 34 in Turkey (wounding 125)

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Is this the new norm?


Isn't Turkey supposed to be an Islamic friendly country?


https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/13/world/ankara-park-blast/index.html

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OL, did you know that not all Muslims get along with each other?
 
Or of the Kurdish tension in Turkey

Or the terrorist groups in Syria that have members in Turkey.

Or the Russian/Turkish tension played out thru subordinate groups.
 
Can you be this oblivious OL?! Islamist groups MOSTLY operate in Muslim countries. It's been "the norm" since this latest violent Islamist movement began.
 
OL, did you know that not all Muslims get along with each other?

Or of the Kurdish tension in Turkey

Or the terrorist groups in Syria that have members in Turkey.

Or the Russian/Turkish tension played out thru subordinate groups.

Can you be this oblivious OL?! Islamist groups MOSTLY operate in Muslim countries. It's been "the norm" since this latest violent Islamist movement began.

Great info thanks... admittedly I'm not really up to date with my Islamic/terrorist info.
 
This bombing has nothing to do with Islam or Islamists. Also Turkey is not a Muslim country technically.
 
Yes. Turkish Republic is a laicist state that religion is pushed away from the laws, governance, institutions etc. But it had strides throughout Turkey's short republic history. Because there always were religious leaders and cults that had the power and effect over simple peoples in mostly rural areas. They are strong as **** right now. That is why AKP and Fethullah Gülen has so many damn support. Ignorance and ethocentrism destroyed the chemistry of this society.

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Terrorist groups that supposedly kill in the name of Islam do that in Islamic countries, coz it's cheaper and you get to be the enforcer of states like USA and Israel and gain a force out of nuthin' .
 
Leave it to Turkey to somehow currently be at war with people trying to set up the Caliphate and the only people seriously trying to prevent the setting up of said Caliphate.
 
My little brother taught briefly at a university in Turkey. While he was there my parents went to visit. Some of the local professors (all Muslim) took them all out to eat and they had a great time. My dad told one of them that he had changed my dad's opinion of Muslims. To which the professor said that my dad had changed his opinion about Americans. Lol. I think for the most part people all over the world are the same and want the same things. Unfortunately there are a few that don't want to ride along.
 
So where is the outpouring of sympathy and grief from the West that we saw after Paris?

Oh, that's right, Turks don't look like us. They don't belong to our tribe. They're one of the 'others.'
 
So where is the outpouring of sympathy and grief from the West that we saw after Paris?

Oh, that's right, Turks don't look like us. They don't belong to our tribe. They're one of the 'others.'

We should probably fly the flag at half mast for the next month or two, tbpfhwy.
 
So where is the outpouring of sympathy and grief from the West that we saw after Paris?

Oh, that's right, Turks don't look like us. They don't belong to our tribe. They're one of the 'others.'

It is only in the past few years that I became aware that I did this. I'd feel sorrow for terrible things that happened in Europe and basically ignore the horrible tragedies that happen in Africa or the Middle East. Although there is little I can do about any of it, I am at least now more aware that any tragedy to the human family matters. And awareness is where change starts.

Granted, I can still only focus on some of it - otherwise, I'd be too depressed to ever get out of bed.
 
It is only in the past few years that I became aware that I did this. I'd feel sorrow for terrible things that happened in Europe and basically ignore the horrible tragedies that happen in Africa or the Middle East. Although there is little I can do about any of it, I am at least now more aware that any tragedy to the human family matters. And awareness is where change starts.

Granted, I can still only focus on some of it - otherwise, I'd be too depressed to ever get out of bed.

Well said.
 
So where is the outpouring of sympathy and grief from the West that we saw after Paris?

Oh, that's right, Turks don't look like us. They don't belong to our tribe. They're one of the 'others.'

This has been a concern for some Turkish people on my facebook news stream. I think Ankara and other hit places aren't like Paris, since she probably is the ideal center concept for humanity's state of mind that anything Paris represents. So subconscience goes like "This is a Muslim country, there is bound to be violence." "This is Africa, they were never away from violence." "This is Paris, this cannot happen to such a beauty! Let's stick together and defeat the evil."
 
This has been a concern for some Turkish people on my facebook news stream. I think Ankara and other hit places aren't like Paris, since she probably is the ideal center concept for humanity's state of mind that anything Paris represents. So subconscience goes like "This is a Muslim country, there is bound to be violence." "This is Africa, they were never away from violence." "This is Paris, this cannot happen to such a beauty! Let's stick together and defeat the evil."

Humans have always been, and will always be, tribalistic in our outlook. We identify with, and promote the interests of whatever tribe we see ourselves belonging to. Other tribes are at best not of our concern, but at worst a threat to our own tribal identify or safety. We exaggerate the suffering and injustices to members of our tribe, and diminish the sufferings and justice of the members of other tribes. We justify the excesses and brutality of our tribe, while condemning the brutality and injustice in the other tribes.

As someone who travels and works much outside the US, I am confident in saying that much of the rest of the world, while admiring and seeking to emulate much of the US, also see the US as an insufferably self-righteous bully.

Personally, the entire notion of 'American Exceptionalism, has gone way to far in this country; it blinds us to what our real and many faults are and thus at best makes it difficult to find, and at worst makes us incapable of finding, solutions to our problems or improving as a nation or people.
 
Humans have always been, and will always be, tribalistic in our outlook. We identify with, and promote the interests of whatever tribe we see ourselves belonging to. Other tribes are at best not of our concern, but at worst a threat to our own tribal identify or safety. We exaggerate the suffering and injustices to members of our tribe, and diminish the sufferings and justice of the members of other tribes. We justify the excesses and brutality of our tribe, while condemning the brutality and injustice in the other tribes.

As someone who travels and works much outside the US, I am confident in saying that much of the rest of the world, while admiring and seeking to emulate much of the US, also see the US as an insufferably self-righteous bully.

Personally, the entire notion of 'American Exceptionalism, has gone way to far in this country; it blinds us to what our real and many faults are and thus at best makes it difficult to find, and at worst makes us incapable of finding, solutions to our problems or improving as a nation or people.

That's where superego and humanism comes in. Common sense tells us that we are the same no matter what race or religon we belong to, that we both individually have the equal value as human beings. And that nothing is more important than the life of a human being. But I believe Western societies demand more than what they give in these terms.
 
This has been a concern for some Turkish people on my facebook news stream. I think Ankara and other hit places aren't like Paris, since she probably is the ideal center concept for humanity's state of mind that anything Paris represents. So subconscience goes like "This is a Muslim country, there is bound to be violence." "This is Africa, they were never away from violence." "This is Paris, this cannot happen to such a beauty! Let's stick together and defeat the evil."

It's pure economics, homie. People associate wealth with well ordered/well ran countries. Poorer countries are associated with chaos and where something like that happens. Turkey is still an up and comer economically....so there you go. If Dubai got car bombed, Western people would be shocked(well, the ones that know what Dubai actually is). Even domestically, that's the shock inflection line we're working with. We're all shocked when murders happen in certain wealthy neighboorhoods....we run those stories in our news for a few days....talk about what a great doctor he was....blah...blah...blah....maybe a week.....not so much elsewhere. You get killed in a normal neighborhood, you're getting 1 day(or even a few hours in places where the news is really rolling in) in the news cycle unless it's just a bizarro story.
 
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