Another school shooting...

[Gameface]

off the top of my head, except for Adam Lanza in the Newtown shooting and Laurie Dann in Illinois back 20 years ago, most school shootings involved shooters who were current students at the school. I'm not sure there's any reason to think that an unstable 12 or 15 year old of the future is going to choose a different target, unless you are thinking of these as copy-cat crimes. They choose their school because it's the place they know best.

The motivation of a young person going in to their school with a gun is different than the motivation of someone like the Aurora movie theater shooter or Jared Loughner in Arizona.

True, and for troubled youth their school is often the place they experience much of their trauma. I suppose if a youth is going to go on a shooting rampage their school will always be a popular target.

Schools are fairly open places but I see that changing already and assume they will become more and more secure in the coming years.

 

[moevillini]

somehow we have to get away from the idea that taking a gun and shooting people is a reasonable way to resolve issues


and in general, I think people have much shorter fuses than they did 30 years ago - and/or we're much more confrontational

 

[LogGrad98]

somehow we have to get away from the idea that taking a gun and shooting people is a reasonable way to resolve issues


and in general, I think people have much shorter fuses than they did 30 years ago - and/or we're much more confrontational

I think you hit the nail on the head moe. We focus way too much on the tool being used and not the ones wielding the tool in the first place. I guess it is easier to get mad at the gun, rather than face the fact that our society has, and will continue to breed people like this. If we face the latter fact, then we have to change, even individually, and that kind of change is much harder than simply making blanket statements like "guns are bad". Unfortunately for the most part we look for the quick fix rather than the lasting or best one.

 

[PearlWatson]

somehow we have to get away from the idea that taking a gun and shooting people is a reasonable way to resolve issues

and in general, I think people have much shorter fuses than they did 30 years ago - and/or we're much more confrontational

You can't reason with psychopaths.

No one ever mentions the psychotropic drug connection, or that we don't deal with psychotic/mentally disturbed individuals effectively.

At least 31 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 162 wounded and 72 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs). The most important fact about this list, is that these are only cases where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public.

25. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

 

[PearlWatson]

Well, see, that's exactly the catch. Adam Lanza was a good guy until the very moment he pulled the trigger and blew his mom's brains out.

In fifth grade, Adam Lanza wrote a book that included tales of children being slaughtered and a son shooting his mother in the head.
In the years that followed, he was obsessed with mass murders, assembling articles, photos, books, footage and violent video games, including one in which players gun down students in school. He even kept a spreadsheet ranking mass murders.

Read more: https://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/...icted-with-mental-health-problems--97360.html

Buried in the thousands of pages of police reports released Friday into the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, new details about Adam Lanza's mental health and his treatment have emerged, revealing that he was seen at the Yale Child Study Center in his early teens and was prescribed the antidepressant Celexa.

https://articles.courant.com/2013-1...20131227_1_peter-lanza-adam-lanza-nancy-lanza

 

[TroutBum]

Show me one kid who didn't write stories about them wasting entire cities and I'll give you a pos rep.

 

[Gameface]

Show me one kid who didn't write stories about them wasting entire cities and I'll give you a pos rep.

So... you're saying you've done that?

 

[GVC]

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

Are you a Scientologist? That source is a ****ing joke, right?

 

[b_line]

I didn't read the whole thread, seems like good discussion.

My view on the subject is hat kids need to be involved in physical activity when they are young, like scouts, ymca, sports, camps, ski lessons, swimming, whatever it is, besides video games.

I have read a few papers on the subject of getting kids outside and doing physical activity, in order to teach them to apply their anger and pent up energy to something that can change their view in life and actually make them feel good. One example that struck me was a kayaking instructor who had been a very angry teen, and even carried guns and deadly weapons to school with him several times. He later changed because his parents put him in a kayaking class, and he found a channel for his energy. He said being outside literally saved his life and probably the lives of the people he might have killed.

 

[addictionary]

I'm just thinking out loud here....

What are doing wrong raising kids today? People want to make the issue guns, but I figure that the percentage of the population that has ready access to guns is about the same today as it was 20 years ago, and probably less than it was 50 or 100 years ago. So why is mass shooting prevalent today?

It's not like there weren't bullies 20 years ago or 50, heck I figure as long as the earth has had at least two men on it there has probably been a bully of sorts.

And why shoot up other kids? Why not adults, or why not shoot up the school building as a symbol of an institution that they feel has wronged them?

These kids have everything they could ever need and most things they could want and it is not enough. Why?

I just don't get it.

They need to disable the cheat codes for the GTA games.

Haha, wow. I would bet half my Kingdom that not even 10% of Utahns would choose that option.

Why, have they got scorpions in their pockets?

Good guys don't shoot innocent people. Smh

Good & bad are not that certain of a dichotomy. People who seem to live an adorable life with a great family can run some pretty contradicting thoughts in their minds about how their life is going on compared to what they want from life -if they know what they want, that is. Breakdowns happen to good people the most, because they are the ones who have to deal with the opposite feedback coming from the outer world when they are trying hard to act out of good morals and values.

Just want to say that i came from the best family situation imaginable and i was a very violent teenager (anger management at 19 years old helped alot) and constantly in trouble/breaking laws.

Sometimes there is nothing a parent can do.
Though i agree that a good family situation is more likely to raise a good kid than a bad family situation.

I do know a guy whos dad was dealing cocaine and meth when he was a young teen and the dad would have his 14 year old son drive him around while the dad sold drugs.... and the kid turned out really good

I do believe these are probably more often exceptions than the norm however

Definitely. Many of the kids of today's world have their characteristics defined by their parents but not at their will. Because they somehow grow furious and uncomfortable out of their little lives, their supposed-to-have characteristics , and basically turn backwards in their subconscience to feed their ego, to feel stronger as a "self" being. That's why many kids from good families can turn into teens in the era of adolescence crisis that cannot adapt and fit well into their families' lives. There is no doubt that good parenting makes them avoid it, or at least help them get back on track. But defining good parenting would be a whole lot different issue there, since there is and there has always been a conflict between generations.

 

[addictionary]

Lol how dumb are you? Your source is that "the neighbor said they "seemed like a nice family". Nobody has any idea what goes on in the walls of a home.

That's right, families-especially women fake their psychological state appearances a lot, but you realize the neighbor said "they were ideal people"; you don't tell that about a family who "seem" to have good behavior towards their neighbors but you can kinda hear some voices of uncomfort coming from the house. That way, the n-bors would have mention the "details" of those "ideal people". And again, not everyone is perfect. Even if they are really "ideal".

At the same time, the parents are still neighbors to them and they don't wanna act all bashing and banishing all of a sudden. After all, that's what "ideal" any neighbor would do, right?

 

[addictionary]

Ok. Ok. It's cool man. It's cool. We all think you're great. It's alright man. Don't do anything crazy. We're all friends here. Seriously man, it's cool.

Oh my God! Watch out he's got a gun!












And a fine good old revolver that is.

 

[addictionary]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Apparently, cable news generally and CNN specifically really started taking off in 1991. That's also when we start to see a big increase in the number of recorded attacks. Between more reporting and just having more people, I'm not sure that the incidence of school shootings is increasing per capita.

You should also consider the state of the society with growing population connected to its effects in the acceptances, values, patterns for behaviors in any generation and sub-social group that exists in that time, their motives, etc. It's also obvious that the extreme rise of information technology is something the humanity never faced before, and I believe the majority of the today's youth's codes and motives are shaped by it. So the youth crime level can easily keep going up regardless of their percentage in the entire youth population since it will be harder for the bunch of them to held onto a subsocial group that would make them define themselves as individuals or being a part of something, actually we all know that many kids that are obsessed with games 'till early ages grow pretty anti-social and I'm sure many of them thinks of mass shootings or any other violence when they are angry. People go to "bad people" in those cases but actually if the bad people are the drug dealers in the corner, then I can tell you that they are the ones that know how to stay alive and avoid any stupid funny action like mass shooting and try to stay low profile not to get caught. In the first place, "feeling lost" leads those "ideal family kids" that way I believe.

 

[addictionary]

you forgot to mention white privilege...



am I the only one crazy enough to think it has something to do with the increased level of violence that is considered acceptable in the media, video games etc?





Sent from the JazzFanz app doe

Are you the only one? No.

 

[One Brow]

You should also consider the state of the society with growing population connected to its effects in the acceptances, values, patterns for behaviors in any generation and sub-social group that exists in that time, their motives, etc. It's also obvious that the extreme rise of information technology is something the humanity never faced before, and I believe the majority of the today's youth's codes and motives are shaped by it.

If you accept all that, and combine it with the overall decrease in crime and violence, that would mean the effects of information technology is to reduce crime.