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Another shooting... California Disability Centre

fishonjazz said:
So do think that if the citizens of England were packing guns then they would all march into the banks and shoot everyone? Do you think that would be a good thing?
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Nope, wouldn't be a good thing at all. Shooting someone down should always be the very last resort, if you feel that your life's in danger, imo. Lol fish why such aggressive views?
 
Stoked said:
What do you think confiscation means? It's not "if you'd like to give us your guns we'd appreciate that". Confiscation is not a passive verb. It by definition is "to seize by authority". To seize.

How would you do it?
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Confiscate; Appropriated by the government. No where in that verb does it state anything about identification, or invasive searches.
 
Jamezz said:
Nope, wouldn't be a good thing at all. Shooting someone down should always be the very last resort, if you feel that your life's in danger, imo. Lol fish why such aggressive views?
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I'm just asking the question of what would be different with the banking power in England if their citizens all had guns?

If they had guns like Americans I don't think it would change anything. Americans have lots of guns and yet the banks/wall street in America have way too much control and power still. Guns don't really help the average citizen control who holds the power
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm just asking the question of what would be different with the banking power in England if their citizens all had guns?

If they had guns like Americans I don't think it would change anything. Americans have lots of guns and yet the banks/wall street in America have way too much control and power still. Guns don't really help the average citizen control who holds the power
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I agree, they keep putting more and more pressure on the middle class. But I just wanted to make an observation. All these protests we've been seeing in Europe, and in the US for that matter. When people were actually targeting the Congress in Spain, or Wall Street in NY, which side were the guys with the big guns taking? Protests that were meant to be peaceful were turned into battle zones. There's a video that came out when people in Madrid were protesting in front of Congress and a guy wearing a mask that was throwing stuff at the anti-revolt units was pulled out as he was yelling "stop, stop! I'm with you guys!", and pulls out a badge. Then he was just gently removed to a safe spot. If I find the video I'll post it. Some shady business going on there I tell ya.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Confiscate; Appropriated by the government. No where in that verb does it state anything about identification, or invasive searches.
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That's just a gun ban. It'll take decades to get anywhere. That's fine for the sake of this argument. But that's not real gun confiscation.

If you don't know who has the guns or where they are how are you going to confiscate them?

Also is there any way to confiscate guns that wont lead to rebellion?
 
ONE LOVE said:
Not always easy to define 'good' or 'bad' person... a 'good' person can just as easily turn into a 'bad' person over a simple workplace or a domestic dispute. Or in the case of this particular shooting, a change in motivation in a certain religious belief.


We're all a mixture of 'good' and 'bad' in my view... with the balance of good/bad changing constantly.
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Because of all the attention these events get it is very easy to assume they are far more common than they actually are. Obviously, we all wish they would never happen, but we have to deal with reality. You may believe that the fight to take weapons away from all Americans would be worth it. I think it would be an epic waste of energy and resources. I'll bet it would eventually go the way of prohibition.
 
Stoked said:
That's just a gun ban. It'll take decades to get anywhere. That's fine for the sake of this argument. But that's not real gun confiscation.

If you don't know who has the guns or where they are how are you going to confiscate them?

Also is there any way to confiscate guns that wont lead to rebellion?
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Confiscation of unregistered weapons in a legal, responsible approach is something that would take some time. But it's also the only chance you have not to start a rebellion; if not civil war.

The only way I can see to do it, is over time. A big wave with all the weapons we know of up front; a smaller wave of "tax breaks or dollars" for unknown guns. Then just weed them out slowly as they are identified. When they're identified, owners get a trip to prison for, say a year, for each violating firearm they still have(tougher laws).
 
Jamezz said:
Gandalfe, stop reading comic books. The sensationalism on that cover is off the charts. Notice the red letters in the word 'Terrorist', and how they add Wayne LaPierre to that group of scumbags. These sick propaganda tactics make me sick!
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The New York Post just reports the truth....and nothing but the truth, no matter how you want to cut it!
 
Personally, I think mod One Love oughta realize that moving a topic from a tragedy to a political issue is actually "off-topic" and hijacking his thread.

I'm opening a thread with the topic "Obsessive/compulsive sociopathic personality disorder patients recruited by UN agenda pushers to undermine essential human right of self-defense"
 
ElRoach0 said:
Confiscation of unregistered weapons in a legal, responsible approach is something that would take some time. But it's also the only chance you have not to start a rebellion; if not civil war.

The only way I can see to do it, is over time. A big wave with all the weapons we know of up front; a smaller wave of "tax breaks or dollars" for unknown guns. Then just weed them out slowly as they are identified. When they're identified, owners get a trip to prison for, say a year, for each violating firearm they still have(tougher laws).
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To me this is simply a gun ban. Weeding out bad guns over a couple decades.

We just have different views on what confiscation means and how it would play out. I do think a ban is 1,000 times more likely than gun confiscation.

Either way I think it leads to rebellion. The south, plains and mountain west would be inflamed over even a gun ban. ID, AZ, UT, MT, WY, ND, SD, TX, AR, OK, NE, KS, MO, AR, MS, TN, KY, AL, GA, LA, SC and WV would go nuts over that. Possibly other states would have real problems as well. Like AK, IA, ME, CA, IN and OH.
 
King Cy said:
So everyone from Saudia Arabia likes ISIS?
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1. His wife took part.

2. His wife is new.

3. He went to Saudi Arabia to pick her up/out.

4. Saudi Arabia has not done anything to curb ISIS' rise. In fact:

"Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander General and retired U.S. General Wesley Clark revealed in an interview with CNN that the Islamic State (Daesh, ISIS) remains geostrategically imperative to Sunni nations, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, as they clamor for strategic power over Shi’a nations, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. He explained that “neither Turkey nor Saudi Arabia want an Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon ‘bridge’ that isolates Turkey, and cuts Saudi Arabia off.”
 
The wife posted a pro-ISIS praise post on Facebook (Sorry Dalamon that it's Facebook isn't credible to you.) It's clear what the fuel to the fire was.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Because of all the attention these events get it is very easy to assume they are far more common than they actually are. Obviously, we all wish they would never happen, but we have to deal with reality. You may believe that the fight to take weapons away from all Americans would be worth it. I think it would be an epic waste of energy and resources. I'll bet it would eventually go the way of prohibition.
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More common than daily?
 
King Cy said:
So everyone from Saudia Arabia likes ISIS?
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Possibly/probably not......but who can you trust? USA Government and ALL people have to be suspicious of ANY Muslim right now! Would you board a plane with one of them on it? People are scared stiff right now to even enter a Mall or a Walmart's!
 
ElRoach0 said:
Confiscation of unregistered weapons in a legal, responsible approach is something that would take some time. But it's also the only chance you have not to start a rebellion; if not civil war.

The only way I can see to do it, is over time. A big wave with all the weapons we know of up front; a smaller wave of "tax breaks or dollars" for unknown guns. Then just weed them out slowly as they are identified. When they're identified, owners get a trip to prison for, say a year, for each violating firearm they still have(tougher laws).
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That still requires quite a lot to accomplish.

They'd have to pass an amendment on the 2nd amendment or a constitutional convention (this one is a VERY bad idea IMO) and overturn he 2nd amendment.

Then they would need to draft up laws out lawing the specific firearms you documented. Their import, sale and manufacture would also need to be outlawed and the unsold stock confiscated. I'd think reimbursement to said companies would be necessary.

Then slowly over time (decades) choke off the number of weapons.

But I still think this leads to revolt. I see to many gun owners saying no and defying this order and law.

Either way I think this leads to large amounts of revolt.
 
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