Jamezz
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Just NO, they're powerful enough. What do you want this country to look like?
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Just NO, they're powerful enough. What do you want this country to look like?
Nor do I... but if they have a route to keeping their firearms(well regulated militia), I do see the majority of gun owners signing up for it so they can keep their guns if the Supreme court says Yes to needing to be in a militia for it.
And does that really change anything about the problem gun control advocates are trying to fix. Growing the number of militias (I think this is already happening actually) will do nothing to stem the tide of mass shootings imo. So what is the point of that? Militias will absolutely fight any "assault weapons" ban.
"Well Regulated" is a strong descriptor you're ignoring.
I'm not ignoring it at all. None of that will stop someone from deciding to do something foolish. you will still have millions of Americans with guns, often the guns the left wants banned. Any of them can still snap and go on a killing spree.
But in this scenario it would have to go thru several court battles and establish a new precedent. The current precedent of court decisions goes directly against this. Possible but very unlikely any time soon (several decades imo)
The most recent court battles have been treated as exceptions, and fallen short of making it the rule. At any given point in time, that could change. We already have over a hundred years of hearings and court battles on it.
That is part of the problem imo. This being considered a "better option" is entirely subjective. I am not sure that many gun rights advocates would agree that reinterpreting the 2nd amendment, thru court cases, is a better option.
I think it is by far the most likely of anything discussed so far though.
The only evidence that exists that banning guns results in fewer gun related deaths from Australia, says it is plausible. It's not a perfect example, as there are differences between the two countries, but it's as close as exists.
Everything else is complete speculation based on gut feelings, and has as a differential diagnosis of gluteus dolor.
It is the best example but the differences are huge.
Culture, racial mix up, Australia has no land borders, population, number of guns, culture changes just within the US...
Everything else is speculation, both ways.
ElRoacho, again I'll go back to the point America is so much different, obviously you agree.
The pure amount of firearms being sold is a good indicator Americans aren't going to go quietly on this issue. The biggest surges in firearm sales have been assault weapons and handguns, the guns control advocates want to regulate heavily. To me the giant surge in the sale of those weapons is an indicator of how many Americans aren't going to agree with regulations and we will have some serious issues.
The pure amount of firearms being sold is a good indicator Americans aren't going to go quietly on this issue. The biggest surges in firearm sales have been assault weapons and handguns, the guns control advocates want to regulate heavily. To me the giant surge in the sale of those weapons is an indicator of how many Americans aren't going to agree with regulations and we will have some serious issues.
I wonder what an average American think about purchasing a gun to protect oneself? How about a single mom living with two kids? How about an old lady living by herself. Or maybe a young couple who are just about to settle down with their first jobs? Are these people comfortable having guns and using them?
I still think there is a better way to 'collectively' protect these vulnerable people than to arm them.
I still think there is a better way to 'collectively' protect these vulnerable people than to arm them.
I'd like to see a breakdown of how many individuals purchased how many weapons, and where, before I even consider that to be evidence of a resistance so great laws can't curb it.
A culture change is all I'm concerned about. Racial mixupa, land borders, population, number of guns can all be overcome easily. Redneckness; not so much.
Considering the number of reported gun owners and number of guns owned I think Americans are far more comfortable with it than most countries.
I disagree. Some of those will take many years, billions and huge cultural shifts to change.
Here is the past few years along with 2015 trough November 30
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_year_by_state_type.pdf
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_year_by_state_type.pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/politics/btn-guns-in-america/index.html
Here are some other figures:
34% of Americans own firearms. 1 in 3
In 2013 only 25% of people supported a gun ban. A record low.
In the northeast 27% of households own a forearm. Lowest in the country.
A 2012 gallup poll showed Americans increasingly supporting stricter gun laws (58%)as opposed to a ban.
The largest increase in firearm sales, by year was long gun (rifle or shotgun). Because there is not a breakdown of assault rifles vs hunting rifles, there's a huge hole there. The category "Other" only increased 8 thousand nationwide, handgun and long gun remained the same.
Overall, 19M firearm background checks this year, compared to 20M last year, and in 2013, 19M in 2012, and 16M in 2011. So, you're on par for last year? At best?
A near four year old gallup poll, and 33% ownership(yes or no).
This is hardly convincing.