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Another trade idea...it's from me so it involves Deron

green

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I have been looking at teams over and over and there is no trade out there that seems realistic that involves Al...except Al for Boozer, and I want no part of that. That being said, would this work: (or am I being too optimistic).

The Nets basically renounce the rights to every single FA they have. They sign Deron to a max deal and receive Howard from Orlando. They do this for obvious reasons. They now have their two stars to take to Brooklyn and know the Knicks of the NY pedistal.

Orlando receives Jefferson from the Utah Jazz. They do this because they get a 20/10 player, he is on a one year deal giving them flexibility, and he can play Howard's position. I would even toss in the GS pick to give them an asset to sell to their fanbase. If Jefferson doesn't work out (he won't), they let him walk. If he does work out, they have their guy and can do an extension for him. They also get a little bit of cap room with this move. Jefferson averaged 20 and 10 last year. Howard was 20 and 15. I am NOT comparing the two, but if you own the Magic, you can sell this to your fanbase.

The Jazz receive Morrow from NJ and Reddick from Orlando. They Jazz get rid of Jefferson and get back two really young, very good role players. We now have the 2/3 position completely shored up. We have a rotation of Burks, Hayward, and Morrow, an amazing shooter. We also get a very, very good backup pg.

Toss in draft picks and other useless players as you see fit.

Would this be the outline of a trade that might actually work? Flame away, or shower me with praise, as you see fit.
 
green said:
I have been looking at teams over and over and there is no trade out there that seems realistic that involves Al...except Al for Boozer, and I want no part of that. That being said, would this work: (or am I being too optimistic).

The Nets basically renounce the rights to every single FA they have. They sign Deron to a max deal and receive Howard from Orlando. They do this for obvious reasons. They now have their two stars to take to Brooklyn and know the Knicks of the NY pedistal.

Orlando receives Jefferson from the Utah Jazz. They do this because they get a 20/10 player, he is on a one year deal giving them flexibility, and he can play Howard's position. I would even toss in the GS pick to give them an asset to sell to their fanbase. If Jefferson doesn't work out (he won't), they let him walk. If he does work out, they have their guy and can do an extension for him. They also get a little bit of cap room with this move. Jefferson averaged 20 and 10 last year. Howard was 20 and 15. I am NOT comparing the two, but if you own the Magic, you can sell this to your fanbase.

The Jazz receive Morrow from NJ and Reddick from Orlando. They Jazz get rid of Jefferson and get back two really young, very good role players. We now have the 2/3 position completely shored up. We have a rotation of Burks, Hayward, and Morrow, an amazing shooter. We also get a very, very good backup pg.

Toss in draft picks and other useless players as you see fit.

Would this be the outline of a trade that might actually work? Flame away, or shower me with praise, as you see fit.
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I would trade Jefferson for 2 shooters. But, would love draft picks as well.
 
Who's that good backup pg?

If you think Redick, then I don't know what to say.

You trade Jefferson for potential, not relative "meh."
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Who's that good backup pg?

If you think Redick, then I don't know what to say.

You trade Jefferson for potential, not relative "meh."
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That's the problem. What potential do you trade for? Who is going to take his 14 million dollar salary and then give you potential? Why not just keep your potential and not trade for Jefferson at all.

Jefferson is not worth much at all. We need shooters, we get shooters.

Reddick isn't good? 12 pts, 3/1 Assist/to, 2 rebs, and 43/41/91 shooting percentages. He ain't bad, and fills a desperate need on this team.
 
green said:
That's the problem. What potential do you trade for? Who is going to take his 14 million dollar salary and then give you potential? Why not just keep your potential and not trade for Jefferson at all.

Jefferson is not worth much at all. We need shooters, we get shooters.

Reddick isn't good? 12 pts, 3/1 Assist/to, 2 rebs, and 43/41/91 shooting percentages. He ain't bad, and fills a desperate need on this team.
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Reddick is not a pg. That is the problem with what you said. I don't think he is doubting Reddick as a player just saying he isn't a pg.
 
green said:
I have been looking at teams over and over and there is no trade out there that seems realistic that involves Al...except Al for Boozer,
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Ya know I grew tired of Boozer, but perhaps it was Boozer and Jerry who grew tired of he who must not be named. Lets do the Al for Boozer, and then bring Jerry back. Favors could be the defensive center behind Boozer that Okur could never be.
 
Not to mention but if Orlando does the trade for Howard to Brooklyn then they are going to want Lopez also in the deal. With that they wouldnt need Jefferson unless the feel jefferson and Lopez can play together, but Orlando already has Anderson I see a no go.
 
2 gaurds are like the only thing we don't need. We need a good 3.
Morrow and Reddick are both 2 gaurds.
 
So let me get this straight, Orlando is dealing Dwight Howard and JJ Reddick for Al Jefferson and perhaps the Golden State 1st round pick the Jazz own?

I think the Magic have much better trade offers out there. I'm pretty sure they could get Bynum straight up for D12 from the Lakers or a package of Noah and something else from the Bulls.


BTW Al took 17 FGA to average 19 pts. Howard took 13 FGA to average 20 pts. That is a huge difference on a per game basis.
 
Novak but not Steve said:
So let me get this straight, Orlando is dealing Dwight Howard and JJ Reddick for Al Jefferson and perhaps the Golden State 1st round pick the Jazz own?

I think the Magic have much better trade offers out there. I'm pretty sure they could get Bynum straight up for D12 from the Lakers or a package of Noah and something else from the Bulls.


BTW Al took 17 FGA to average 19 pts. Howard took 13 FGA to average 20 pts. That is a huge difference on a per game basis.
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Not really. Go check out how many of Dwight's possessions ended in free throws (which he sucks at) and turnovers (which Al owns at), run the numbers again, and you'll find that Al scores more points per possession than Dwight does. Defense is another story, but Al is a more efficient scorer than Dwight.
 
Xthren said:
Not to mention but if Orlando does the trade for Howard to Brooklyn then they are going to want Lopez also in the deal. With that they wouldnt need Jefferson unless the feel jefferson and Lopez can play together, but Orlando already has Anderson I see a no go.
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Unless LA gets into the talks, NJ doesn't need to give up Lopez, especially if someone like the Jazz are willing to step in and give up a Jefferson. Orlando has no leverage at all. NOW, if LA steps to the negotiating table, then NJ needs to step up their game.
 
Correct me if I misunderstood this, but for the Jazz, you propose the following:

Jazz trade: Al Jefferson, GSW Pick
Jazz receive: Morrow, Redick

Am I right?

If so...woof. No offense, but this is seriously awful.
 
mct said:
Not really. Go check out how many of Dwight's possessions ended in free throws (which he sucks at) and turnovers (which Al owns at), run the numbers again, and you'll find that Al scores more points per possession than Dwight does. Defense is another story, but Al is a more efficient scorer than Dwight.
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lol. Al is .01 better than D12 in that metric and Ian Mahinmi is .02 better than Al. Perhaps Orlando should forget taking Al for D12 and Reddick and just acquire Mahinmi instead. At least Mahinmi plays defense.
 
green said:
Unless LA gets into the talks, NJ doesn't need to give up Lopez, especially if someone like the Jazz are willing to step in and give up a Jefferson. Orlando has no leverage at all. NOW, if LA steps to the negotiating table, then NJ needs to step up their game.
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Orlando has leverage here, but admittedly not all of it. They do have D12 locked up for a whole season. Wouldn't they rather keep D12 and Reddick and try for a deep playoff run instead of giving them both up for Al Jefferson and then plan on letting him walk next season?
 
bigmike said:
Correct me if I misunderstood this, but for the Jazz, you propose the following:

Jazz trade: Al Jefferson, GSW Pick
Jazz receive: Morrow, Redick

Am I right?

If so...woof. No offense, but this is seriously awful.
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I'm surprised this isn't coming from a Nets fan. They were just able to trade Anthony Morrow for D12.
 
Novak but not Steve said:
lol. Al is .01 better than D12 in that metric and Ian Mahinmi is .02 better than Al. Perhaps Orlando should forget taking Al for D12 and Reddick and just acquire Mahinmi instead. At least Mahinmi plays defense.
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Yeah, all three of those guys are reasonably efficient players. Al and Dwight do it with high usage rates.

Points per shot is worthless. TS% tells more of the story, but it ignores turnovers, which is Al's biggest strength. Anyone who uses either of those metrics to call Al inefficient is being disingenuous.

Please stop.
 
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