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NUMBERICA said:
Speaking of all of that, what does it say about the most skilled scoring big that the league has ever seen that he couldn't wrap his head around an offense BUILT TO MAKE HIM SCORE?

I sure hope he doesn't transmit whatever makes him unable to comprehend team basketball to our two #3s.
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A little confused, are you speaking about Jefferson? If so, most skilled scoring big that the league has even seen?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Where did David Robinson learn his post moves, then? Or Shaq? Or McHale? Or Wilt?

If players need stars to teach them their most intimate secrets, then where did Kobe learn how to play like that? Or MJ?
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I don't know who was coaching David Robinson, Shaq, or McHale. But you can bet they had someone coaching them who knew a thing or 2 about post play. And they probably had someone on the team for them to practice against every day who could show them a few things too.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Well, for starters we drafted Humphries while the less athletic, fatter, Al Jefferson (who was the same age but with less experience) went later in the draft.
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I don't follow how that has anything to do with my post.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Knowledge. They learned the mental part of the game. Positioning, how to run the Jazz offense, setting back screens, etc. So many things. I really don't understand how you can say the Jazz suck at developing big men.
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So they learned positioning. Big deal. If Boozer didn't have footwork in the post, and a great shot with either hand, nine if that knowledge means anything. And it's debatable if they even learned any positioning our any of that anyway.

They came here and learned the new offense. The plays were designed to get the most out of their already developed abilities.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I don't know who was coaching David Robinson, Shaq, or McHale. But you can bet they had someone coaching them who knew a thing or 2 about post play. And they probably had someone on the team for them to practice against every day who could show them a few things too.
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How did Sloan end up developing a HOF PG and a top 5 PG of this generation? That dude was never a PG. Did he sell his soul to the PG devil?
 
Bodhi said:
I don't follow how that has anything to do with my post.
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You asked for a rundown of successfully developed big men or failures to develop them. That's a good start. Jefferson developed while the more athletic guy, who was in better shape, same age, and had more potential, did not develop. And it was the Jazz who had him, so it's a perfect example all around.
 
Man, I forgot how much I disliked Salty's posting. I was kind of enjoying him not posting for a while....oh well.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
How did Sloan end up developing a HOF PG and a top 5 PG of this generation? That dude was never a PG. Did he sell his soul to the PG devil?
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Stockton sat on the bench for 3 years. Ricky Green was actually an all star point guard.

Stockton and Malone were freaks. If you're waiting for some players to duplicate their work ethic you will be waiting a long time.
 
SaltyDawg said:
You asked for a rundown of successfully developed big men or failures to develop them. That's a good start. Jefferson developed while the more athletic guy, who was in better shape, same age, and had more potential, did not develop. And it was the Jazz who had him, so it's a perfect example all around.
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Why did Humphries have more potential?
 
SaltyDawg said:
You asked for a rundown of successfully developed big men or failures to develop them. That's a good start. Jefferson developed while the more athletic guy, who was in better shape, same age, and had more potential, did not develop. And it was the Jazz who had him, so it's a perfect example all around.
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Ahh, I see, so I'll cross off Utah, Toronto, Dallas and the coaching staff of Jersey Humphries first few years as horrible big man developers. Noted. Now, onto the other 26 teams, they all must be churning out great big men by the hundreds, no?
 
SaltyDawg said:
Because he was the same age, same height, much more athletic, much stronger, in much better shape, and had just lead the Big 10 in scoring.

Jefferson was fat, had no college experience, slow, and unathletic.
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Jefferson averaged like 40,20, and 8 in HS. The Jazz just didn't want to draft the HS player. Jefferson clearly had more potential (because you can obviously see Jefferson is the better player, that is not a product of being developed, he just had more ability).
 
Bodhi said:
Ahh, I see, so I'll cross off Utah, Toronto, Dallas and the coaching staff of Jersey Humphries first few years as horrible big man developers. Noted. Now, onto the other 26 teams, they all must be churning out great big men by the hundreds, no?
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I don't know about by the hundreds. But I know any of them would be foolish to interrupt the obvious progress their 2 young bigs were making working with a vet. Especially if it wasn't hurting them financially to let it continue.
 
Bodhi said:
Ahh, I see, so I'll cross off Utah, Toronto, Dallas and the coaching staff of Jersey Humphries first few years as horrible big man developers. Noted. Now, onto the other 26 teams, they all must be churning out great big men by the hundreds, no?
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Cross off Chicago because they couldn't develop Tyson Chandler. He didn't flourish until he got to New Orleans.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Cross off Chicago because they couldn't develop Tyson Chandler. He didn't flourish until he got to New Orleans.
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Mike Brown is obviously a better big man developer than Phil Jackson too, as evidenced by how bad he was holding back Bynum.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Put me on ignore. Problem solved.
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Not really. You kind of poison to every discussion you're a part of. You've thought that about as through as most of the stances you publicly take.

And I don't even terribly dislike you, and sometimes I even agree with some of your points (to a point).
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jefferson averaged like 40,20, and 8 in HS. The Jazz just didn't want to draft the HS player. Jefferson clearly had more potential (because you can obviously see Jefferson is the better player, that is not a product of being developed, he just had more ability).
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High school in Mississippi is not the Big 10.

What "ability" does Jefferson have that Humphries doesn't? His footwork. And he did not have that footwork his first few years in the league.

Humphries clearly had more potential at the time. Jefferson is the better player right now because Humphries never reached his potential, while Jefferson reached his.

Again, Jefferson was fresh out of high school but they were the same age. 1 was fat, slow, and weak but dominated Mississippi high school. The other was strong, athletic, built like a tank, and had dominated the Big 10. Same age, same height. One obviously had more potential, and it wasn't Jefferson.
 
Imagine Bynum with a $14mil a year big man coach. First ever player to average 50pts and 50 boards a game? I think so.........I think so...... (what's that you say? Your mind was just blown? Blame Al Jefferson for your mindgasm.)
 
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