Anyone know when Alec Burks is returning to the line up?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Burks would add a ton... anyone who says otherwise is dumb. Ingles has been awful. I love CJ when he makes one of those critical hustle plays but he's a big liability on offense.

I need Burks back now.... NOOOWWWWWW!

 

[silesian]

Don't be utter ignoramus idiots!!! He puts Neto and ingles on the bench. He adds a ton to the team. Shut the hell up join a fakers message boards of your not fans of our players!! Burks is great for our team!! Live with it losers!!

And the award for over-reaction of the year goes to.....

 

[Stifle Tower]

Don't be utter ignoramus idiots!!! He puts Neto and ingles on the bench. He adds a ton to the team. Shut the hell up join a fakers message boards of your not fans of our players!! Burks is great for our team!! Live with it losers!!

We can still be fans of the team, yet be critical of DL or QS or particular players. I DO think Alec would contribute a lot. But I have lost a lot of interest this season. It was a little low to begin with, given DL's penny-pinching refusal to add any decent bench players. And I have LITTLE faith that will change this off-season, DL has had TWO years with tons of cap space to add a significant bench player or two. He's delivered Booker and Withey, Johnson and Millsap. Forgive me if I don't salute and say "Heil Dennis." Lindsey has had a couple of draft successes. But overall, I rate him as a poor GM. GM's need to utilize the draft, trades and free agency to build contenders. DL has utilized just one (the draft). And next year, he CAN'T really spend cash on a big 4 yr deal, not with the projected core all coming off their rookie deals in 3 years. The time to strike was 1-2 years ago. KOC and DL were big talkers, preaching financial flexibility so they could strike in free agency, But it was all just hot air.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

We can still be fans of the team, yet be critical of DL or QS or particular players. I DO think Alec would contribute a lot. But I have lost a lot of interest this season. It was a little low to begin with, given DL's penny-pinching refusal to add any decent bench players. And I have LITTLE faith that will change this off-season, DL has had TWO years with tons of cap space to add a significant bench player or two. He's delivered Booker and Withey, Johnson and Millsap. Forgive me if I don't salute and say "Heil Dennis." Lindsey has had a couple of draft successes. But overall, I rate him as a poor GM. GM's need to utilize the draft, trades and free agency to build contenders. DL has utilized just one (the draft). And next year, he CAN'T really spend cash on a big 4 yr deal, not with the projected core all coming off their rookie deals in 3 years. The time to strike was 1-2 years ago. KOC and DL were big talkers, preaching financial flexibility so they could strike in free agency, But it was all just hot air.

Look at the Knicks. For years they spent money, and wheeled and dealt. Where did it get them?? Enter Phil, and they are now doing it through the draft. The Jazz are being very smart. They are building through the draft. And saving money to keep their main core. It's a long grueling process. But it allows them to continue to build depth while being able to retain their studs. While eventually adding small pieces and looking for bargains in free agency. Do u think DL just sits in his office twiddling his thumbs looking for new ways to troll u?? He's a hell of a lot more knowledgable then u will ever be at this. So quit you're asinine whining as if u know more then those in the front office!!!

I told all of u in the off season to slow your rolls and expectations. Building a championship team isn't done in two or three years. It's a long arduous process that can take 5-10 years of patience and careful planning. This is something the Knicks have not been willing to do. And it's bitten them in the *** on more then a few occasions. I agree 100% with everything done other then trading for Burk. I wanted CJ. other then Burke the Jazz have been incredible with there draft choices as of late, and think they will continue to do so finding some hidden gems with their picks.

I understand the fans need to spend big in free agency, but at this point... What is the point?? We are several years from contending. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and at this point to be contending for a playoff spot is a great sign for this team. Let's also not forget that the Jazz just added some nice depth with Mack, only giving up a second round pick. If Exum becomes a star like I think he will, Mack or Neto will be one of the better backups in the league. In the mean time the youth of this team is building chemistry experience. Going forward. The scary thing is that all of Favors Hood Hayward Exum Burks Gobert have yet to hit their primes and still some room to get better. We are building a team to last and be very good. They aren't about to pull the cake out of the oven early because u want them to be foolish with money causing the Jazz to start over in a few years like the Knicks seem to do every other damned year.

Let's also not forget that while you think they haven't spent money, they actually have in some of the best young players at their positions, and the Favors dean may be the best team friendly deal in all of the NBA.

I remember when jazzfanz was filled with knowledgable fans, now seems to be filled with nothing but immature impatient thumb suckers that wants everything now on a silver platter almost as if they think money and wealth grow on trees.


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[fishonjazz]

Burks would add a ton... anyone who says otherwise is dumb. Ingles has been awful. I love CJ when he makes one of those critical hustle plays but he's a big liability on offense.

I need Burks back now.... NOOOWWWWWW!

Yep.
Burks is instantly our best bench player when healthy. That counts for something me thinks

 

[Just Ted]

I am a season ticket holder and have been for many years. However, I have a hard time handing over the cash when the Jazz organization doesn't seem willing to spend the cash to get a team worth watching. I get it, we have our core players we have to pay in the future... but at this point has the CORE shown you anything that makes you think any of them are not expendable? Just venting, but I already gave away most of the tickets for the remainder of the season. The Brooklyn game broke this Camels back.

 

[Diamond77]

Burks would add a ton... anyone who says otherwise is dumb. Ingles has been awful. I love CJ when he makes one of those critical hustle plays but he's a big liability on offense.

I think basically CJ and Booker are the same type of players, both hustle players but liability on offense, the should not be on the court a the same time.

Ingles is useless if he does not nail threes.

 

[Stifle Tower]

And saving money to keep their main core. It's a long grueling process.

I told all of u in the off season to slow your rolls and expectations. Building a championship team isn't done in two or three years. It's a long arduous process that can take 5-10 years of patience and careful planning.

Let's also not forget that while you think they haven't spent money, they actually have in some of the best young players at their positions, and the Favors dean may be the best team friendly deal in all of the NBA.

I remember when jazzfanz was filled with knowledgable fans, now seems to be filled with nothing but immature impatient thumb suckers that wants everything now on a silver platter almost as if they think money and wealth grow on trees.


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First of all, stop bringing up the Knicks. That's one of the poorest run franchises in the NBA and has been for decades. If you do that, why not bring up the 76'ers as an example of what building via the draft brings?

To say we should expect 5-10 years of building is just ridiculous. If a team does that, EVERY one of those core players will be off their rookie contacts and the team won't be able to keep them. Yes, by all means, let's see what happens in '18/'19 when the Jazz have to try to fit Hayward, Favors, Hood, Exum and Gobert plus 8 additional players under the tax threshold, Hint: the team is going to be every bit as weak as they are now UNLESS there is good young talent to replace some of the bloated contracts. That process has to begin now, with the shedding of players who won't bring enough bang for the buck (target directly pointed at Hayward and maybe Gobert). Favors' "great" contract has no bearing. He'll be getting a big raise - or will decide to move on - before the Jazz contend.

DL has not brought in ONE significant free agent. Yep, I'll concede he's done better than the likes of the Knicks, Kings, 76er's, etc. but even KOC did a better job than DL has done. After losing Hornacek, Stockton and Malone, Jazz were back in the WC Finals in 4 years, with only ONE losing season in the interim. Just like now, Utah had some good young talent, but KOC went out and took chances with some significant free agent signings.

The difference, IMO, is Utah still had someone who actually cared about basketball (Larry H.). Once he died, the Jazz simply became a cash cow for the Miller children, They don't give a damn about winning. And that's even more evident by now having a board to oversee the team. A board's first priority is to maximize profits. And they've done that by giving us fans the 3rd cheapest roster in the league. Only in Utah, with the WORST media in the league, can that NEVER be mentioned. The Jazz OWN the media. Locke is such a spineless patsy. And the rest aren't much different, But they can't be or they'd lose their jobs,

 

[b_line]

First of all, stop bringing up the Knicks. That's one of the poorest run franchises in the NBA and has been for decades. If you do that, why not bring up the 76'ers as an example of what building via the draft brings?

To say we should expect 5-10 years of building is just ridiculous. If a team does that, EVERY one of those core players will be off their rookie contacts and the team won't be able to keep them. Yes, by all means, let's see what happens in '18/'19 when the Jazz have to try to fit Hayward, Favors, Hood, Exum and Gobert plus 8 additional players under the tax threshold, Hint: the team is going to be every bit as weak as they are now UNLESS there is good young talent to replace some of the bloated contracts. That process has to begin now, with the shedding of players who won't bring enough bang for the buck (target directly pointed at Hayward and maybe Gobert). Favors' "great" contract has no bearing. He'll be getting a big raise - or will decide to move on - before the Jazz contend.

DL has not brought in ONE significant free agent. Yep, I'll concede he's done better than the likes of the Knicks, Kings, 76er's, etc. but even KOC did a better job than DL has done. After losing Hornacek, Stockton and Malone, Jazz were back in the WC Finals in 4 years, with only ONE losing season in the interim. Just like now, Utah had some good young talent, but KOC went out and took chances with some significant free agent signings.

The difference, IMO, is Utah still had someone who actually cared about basketball (Larry H.). Once he died, the Jazz simply became a cash cow for the Miller children, They don't give a damn about winning. And that's even more evident by now having a board to oversee the team. A board's first priority is to maximize profits. And they've done that by giving us fans the 3rd cheapest roster in the league. Only in Utah, with the WORST media in the league, can that NEVER be mentioned. The Jazz OWN the media. Locke is such a spineless patsy. And the rest aren't much different, But they can't be or they'd lose their jobs,

You need to take a break from jazzfanz and jazz in general for a while. Come back next year when the jazz are contending for the 4 seed.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

First of all, stop bringing up the Knicks. That's one of the poorest run franchises in the NBA and has been for decades. If you do that, why not bring up the 76'ers as an example of what building via the draft brings?

To say we should expect 5-10 years of building is just ridiculous. If a team does that, EVERY one of those core players will be off their rookie contacts and the team won't be able to keep them. Yes, by all means, let's see what happens in '18/'19 when the Jazz have to try to fit Hayward, Favors, Hood, Exum and Gobert plus 8 additional players under the tax threshold, Hint: the team is going to be every bit as weak as they are now UNLESS there is good young talent to replace some of the bloated contracts. That process has to begin now, with the shedding of players who won't bring enough bang for the buck (target directly pointed at Hayward and maybe Gobert). Favors' "great" contract has no bearing. He'll be getting a big raise - or will decide to move on - before the Jazz contend.

DL has not brought in ONE significant free agent. Yep, I'll concede he's done better than the likes of the Knicks, Kings, 76er's, etc. but even KOC did a better job than DL has done. After losing Hornacek, Stockton and Malone, Jazz were back in the WC Finals in 4 years, with only ONE losing season in the interim. Just like now, Utah had some good young talent, but KOC went out and took chances with some significant free agent signings.

The difference, IMO, is Utah still had someone who actually cared about basketball (Larry H.). Once he died, the Jazz simply became a cash cow for the Miller children, They don't give a damn about winning. And that's even more evident by now having a board to oversee the team. A board's first priority is to maximize profits. And they've done that by giving us fans the 3rd cheapest roster in the league. Only in Utah, with the WORST media in the league, can that NEVER be mentioned. The Jazz OWN the media. Locke is such a spineless patsy. And the rest aren't much different, But they can't be or they'd lose their jobs,

I wish Utah would spend more because I believe that would make us a better team. But this cash cow bull crap is dumb. The Miller's would love to see Utah get a title. No question.

 

[b_line]

I wish Utah would spend more because I believe that would make us a better team. But this cash cow bull crap is dumb. The Miller's would love to see Utah get a title. No question.

The jazz don't make much money for the Millers. It's like you said, they would love to see the team get a title. If they are only interested in making money, they would sell the team now that it's worth so much.

 

[colton]

The jazz don't make much money for the Millers. It's like you said, they would love to see the team get a title. If they are only interested in making money, they would sell the team now that it's worth so much.

The goodwill and name recognition from owning the Jazz are huge, though. Don't know how exactly you'd put a price on it, but I think it's got to be in the tens of millions of dollars per year, at least.

 

[franklin]

I wish Utah would spend more because I believe that would make us a better team. But this cash cow bull crap is dumb. The Miller's would love to see Utah get a title. No question.

The Miller's don't need to make cash from The Jazz to build hundreds of millions in wealth.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/utah-jazz/

They are trying to make cash this season.

 

[mellow]

Tony Jones tweeted said Alec Burks could be back next week. Will be on minutes restriction.

 

[Just Ted]

Link or it didn't happen. Also, I suck at twitter.

 

[mellow]

Here's a link

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...eturning-to-the-line-up&p=1197422#post1197422


And a couple more

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tjonessltrib/status/705505865722306560

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tjonessltrib/status/705505979090079744

 

[Just Ted]

Well played.

 

[Stifle Tower]

What have you been reading? The Jazz make millions for the Miillers. Add to that appreciation when they do sell, not to mention the tie- in to their other businesses. Sure, they'd like to see the team win a title. That would be stupid to say otherwise. Larry H's goal - which he stated numerous times - was to have the team always operate in the black. There has been NOTHING to show that philosophy has changed. In fact, outside of the couple of seasons it took to unwind the Boozer and AK salaries, the Jazz have gotten progressively cheaper.

Have ticket prices or concessions or merchandise gone down? Not one bit, despite payroll plummeting to 28th. Millers are making money hand over fist and laughing all the way to the bank. But just bend over and smile while being asked to take it from a GM who knows how to spew BS like the best politicians out there.

 

[Stifle Tower]

"Not skipping steps" is short for don't run so fast to the bank that you trip and spill cash out of the money bags.

Best thing that could happen to this team is to sell to a group of Utah investors who are passionate about basketball. Maybe that happens when Gail passes away.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

On the Millers money thing... First off there is a lot of ego and pride in being that well recognized don't think they don't like that part as well. I have a mega rich friend that I hang out with and the rich guys eat all this up. The are all one-upers.

The money they make is good on the Jazz but absolutely fuels their other businesses. Anytime people report income in the public through Forbes or CBA agreements just know that it will be low balled and filled with non-cash expenses such as depreciation. I knew many businesses that had great cash flow and showed minimal profits.

I think the Millers do a lot for the community and they would like to have a championship... so long as that championship is value priced. If you told them they operate at a 10-20 M loss for a chance at a championship then maybe they'd fund it for a year or two. I also think the new CBA will make it harder for small markets to compete... it is clear to me that this season bakking cakkk was a front for saving dat green.

Anyway.... hope alec is back soon.