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Are the Jazz a great PG away from serious contention?

Matthew Thomas Castleton

Matthew Thomas Castleton

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Look at the past two games. Both were winnable until we finally crapped out in the fourth. We seem to be pretty solid at all positions other than point guard. We simply got killed the past two games by the other team's point guard. If we simply had a PG that could contain and score against the other team's PG we likely win. The same can be said against the Clippers and Warriors. Should we consider trading Harris and either Millsap or Jefferson (opening up a spot for Jeremy Evans) to acquire a great point guard?
 
Matthew Thomas Castleton said:
Look at the past two games. Both were winnable until we finally crapped out in the fourth. We seem to be pretty solid at all positions other than point guard. We simply got killed the past two games by the other team's point guard. If we simply had a PG that could contain and score against the other team's PG we likely win. The same can be said against the Clippers and Warriors. Should we consider trading Harris and either Millsap or Jefferson (opening up a spot for Jeremy Evans) to acquire a great point guard?
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This thread is an easy target to bash. So don't get upset with possible responds. (not mentioning carolinajazz, he ain't bad, he doesn't even have any tattoo to be bad)

And about your question... Of course no one will give us a great pg like a free candy. But If we're into take some bad contracts and give more than what we would be willing to give, we may get what we want. And Rondo as in example, could be the best target if we're really up to make major moves. And yes, that kind of move has the potential to make us a contender.
 
every team are away from serious contention if they don't have a decent (do not need to be great) pg.
 
I guess Paul or Williams could make us a contender, but other than that not really. We are 3 point shooting, a PG, and 3 years away from being a contender.
 
Even if we had Dwill on this team, we still wouldn't be contending. We still need a 3 point shooter or two, maturity (like not laying an egg against a crappy Knicks team playing without Amare and Melo), and someone to remind our guys how to defend the pick and roll. Collison and Lin are going off on us because our P&R defense is so horrible.
 
Serious question.

Would you guys rather have Harris or Jimmer?
 
The Thriller said:
Even if we had Dwill on this team, we still wouldn't be contending. We still need a 3 point shooter or two, maturity (like not laying an egg against a crappy Knicks team playing without Amare and Melo), and someone to remind our guys how to defend the pick and roll. Collison and Lin are going off on us because our P&R defense is so horrible.
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Wasn't that one of the gripes that DWill had last year? I seem to remember that he complained about the PnR D.
 
I know everyone wants Rondo but you have to ask yourself why are the Celtics constantly trying to get rid of him? The reason is he is a pain in the butt to deal with. Just think how bad he could be with an inexperience coach and a young team. The Celtics are willing to look at the Celtics trade because they feel that their backup PG (Avery Bradley) isn't that far removed (talent-wise). The Celtics need another big man. I doubt they trade Rondo because the Celtics could pick up Kaman instead of trading for Gasol.

However, I do think the Celtics would trade Rondo if the right deal was presented. As far as the Jazz, I think they are more than a PG away from really contending. They need both Favors and Kanter to take major steps on the offensive end. I think Hayward has to be more consistent and aggressive. The Jazz need a stud SF. Alec Burks needs to start playing and develop into the player I think he is. The Jazz need two shooters who can shoot the 3 pt. and also create their own shot when the offense breaks down. Lastly, the Jazz need time to gain experience.

The only way this is going to happen is to start developing the young guys more, draft well and then find the missing piece in FA. I think the Jazz need to concentrate on their defensive mentality. If they can become a great defensive team the offensive issues won't be so obvious. With Favors, Hayward and Kanter they have a good start. Now get MKG or Quincy Miller or Barnes and a stud PG (distributor first). Then find some shooters in FA.
 
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Gojazz79 said:
Serious question.

Would you guys rather have Harris or Jimmer?
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Jimmer. No question. And I'm not even a huge fan of Jimmer as a pro. But at least he provides some shooting. I've seen enough out of control drives and airballs from Harris (not to mention clanked FTs). Dude doesn't have range outside of a layup and rarely gets to the rim anymore. Defensively, they're probably equally pathetic. Both probably aren't true PGs, but I'm willing to give Jimmer a chance. I've seen Harris attempt to run the Jazz offense... And it's bad... What's he averaging again? 3 assists? Seriously folks? Stockton and Dwill had that within the first 5 mins of a game. Ronnie Price could get us 3 assists in a damn half!

Maybe I'm just a little extreme. But I'm really down on Harris. I don't think he has it anymore. He's lost his passion for the game and hasn't been an effective PG for the Jazz in 2 years now. Getting anything at this point for him is key. We all knew that the real prize in the Dwill trade was the talented youth, NOT Harris.
 
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The Thriller said:
Jimmer. No question. And I'm not even a huge fan of Jimmer as a pro. But at least he provides some shooting. I've seen enough out of control drives and airballs from Harris. Dude doesn't have range outside of a layup and rarely gets to the rim anymore. Defensively, they're probably equally pathetic.
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That is what I was thinking. Defense will still be terrible but at least we would get better passing and shooting. I am not a huge Jimmer fan either. I just know that alot of Jazz fans are.
 
im one who wants Rondo (Harris/Jefferson/cond #1) but who else is available...

Felton-Harris swap, both underperforming??
Miller-Harris swap, I'd rather have Watson play over Miller, similar players.
Nelson-Harris swap, eh...
Calderon-Harris swap, defensive liability...
Augustine/Diaw-Harris/Miles swap, I think I like this one (DJ is hurt but can hit the 3, dumping CJ allows Howard/Burks more PT, Diaw's contract expires or flip him in a 3-way).
 
Rondo would be the perfect fit and a total disaster for this team. Figure it out. What the Jazz need is mental toughness more than anything. The rookies are too young to provide it (though the best thing about the young core is that they all show signs of heart and toughness) and the vets simply aren't good enough players for it to matter. True talent and mental toughness makes a contender. Keep dreaming about an elite PG riding in to the rescue.
 
Rondo is the C's best player. So why the hell are they constantly trying to get rid of him?

Dude is a complete jerk. Didn't we learn our lesson from Dwill guys?

We are Utah Jazz. We're not a flashy market, we don't have a great African-American population, no night life, "weird" Christian religion dominates, no south beach (unless you consider Salt Lake a beach), no strong movie market here, we're a small market, etc.

We need guys that aren't jerks and want to be here. A few missteps (like Portland in the early 2000s) could mean the difference between this team staying in Utah and being moved to a different location.

Unlike Tinsley and Howard, Rondo is already established, has his contract, and is in the prime of his career. Tinsley and Howard are merely trying out for other teams. Of course they're going to be on their best behavior, since they're fighting for their careers.
 
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