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Are the Jazz Not Bad?

YoungJefe said:
Isn't Stephon Castle a potential solution to be their primary ball handler?
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Way too early to say. I love Castle defensively but offensively he there are huge question marks as a primary ballhandler/initiating guard. He showed a lot of potential doing that in highschool but last year he did very little of that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He’s probably closer to a defensively-oriented Antonio Daniels than a star.
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He will be a high end role player imo. As long as he shoots it well enough he will be the type that provides flexibility to do a lot of things. Between him and Wemby you can do a lot of things and not be limited. For example, if they had a good scoring small guard like Collin Sexton it does not limit them. They can also go jumbo sized and have enourmous advantages. I would have prefered we get Castle as the theoretical fit with Key would be great but I am happy with what we have seem from Williams.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He’s probably closer to a defensively-oriented Antonio Daniels than a star.
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To be fair to the question asked, he didn't say anything about a star. Rather a primary ball handler.
 
So we gonna keep our pick, or nah?

Gonna start hot, trade good pieces for a half assed tank and end up at 8 or 9?
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed. Question is how do we do that? Bench Lauri? Bench Sexton?
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I’m here to complain not fix problems!


Honestly idk, if the young dudes are just that good, fine. But I think the ‘tanking playbook’ is pretty well established by now. Just follow the instructions.

We’ve done it the past two seasons, just don’t wait until the trade deadline this time.
 
Jazz are going to have to pull off some shenanigans in order to end up in the bottom 6 or 7.

Brooklyn, Washington, Detroit and Portland should easily be the bottom 4 by record. I think the Jazz are better than Toronto and are likely to be muddled in with Chicago, San Antonio and Atlanta, like last year. The Clippers could be in that neighborhood as well.

It looks pretty certain that the Jazz want to keep their pick. (They've already started scouting Rutgers.) Maybe they can pull off going into the lottery from the 7th spot instead of the 8th or 9th. A team with Sexton, Lauri and Walker just isn't going to bottom out.
 
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Bawse Dawg said:
I’m here to complain not fix problems!


Honestly idk, if the young dudes are just that good, fine. But I think the ‘tanking playbook’ is pretty well established by now. Just follow the instructions.

We’ve done it the past two seasons, just don’t wait until the trade deadline this time.
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Jazz are better this year than last year. Sexton has a full year of good health under him. Lauri had a good offseason. Keyonte, Taylor and Brice are all improving. Jazz aren't going to start Collins at the 5, and we don't have Olynyk to be a defensive liability. Jazz might be average defensively, instead of rock bottom. We also can't play the THT and Samanic card this year.
 
Hopefully the players don't tank. If they suck, so be it, but if they suck it doesn't give me any confidence that Ainge is a good GM.
 
idiot said:
But they have something even more important: a top-5 draftee from a loaded draft. And they've done it right -- back-to-back bottom 5 finishes in the league. They're sitting so much prettier than we are now.

</tank logic>
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Oh yeah, that's right, they got a can't miss prospect because they tanked. All hail the tank!
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Okay but now just replace Blazers with Spurs and your sarcasm becomes solid fact.
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Great, one team drew the lucky number, in a year where there actually was one can't miss generational once in a 20 year type prospect. Oddly enough it wasn't the team who had the most numbers in the proverbial fish bowl. In fact, two years in a row their number hasn't been drawn and they lost as much draft positioning as you can, despite having the most.

But that wasn't just the whole argument then. It was about what an amazing draft class it was, and how some of these guys would be sure fire first picks any other year, and how teams were nuts for not trying to get one of 3-5 different future HOF type players. Which is how every "deep" draft is hyped up. Very rarely does this actually pay off in reality, like in 2003, and even in that case it didn't pay off for the team drafting second.

And what happens in the meantime? A pretty worthless season that is uninteresting to watch. I mean, if I were playing this on an xbox or something, that's great. You can just sim the games until the next season in a minute and be done with it. In reality I really like basketball (well not as much anymore, due to numerous factors, but the tanking culture being a top one), specifically the Jazz, and it hurts my soul a bit to see season after season of garbage, knowing that hey, they may not be garbage in 2035 when I'm 58 years old if everything works out.
 
Nate505 said:
Great, one team drew the lucky number, in a year where there actually was one can't miss generational once in a 20 year type prospect. Oddly enough it wasn't the team who had the most numbers in the proverbial fish bowl. In fact, two years in a row their number hasn't been drawn and they lost as much draft positioning as you can, despite having the most.

But that wasn't just the whole argument then. It was about what an amazing draft class it was, and how some of these guys would be sure fire first picks any other year, and how teams were nuts for not trying to get one of 3-5 different future HOF type players. Which is how every "deep" draft is hyped up. Very rarely does this actually pay off in reality, like in 2003, and even in that case it didn't pay off for the team drafting second.

And what happens in the meantime? A pretty worthless season that is uninteresting to watch. I mean, if I were playing this on an xbox or something, that's great. You can just sim the games until the next season in a minute and be done with it. In reality I really like basketball (well not as much anymore, due to numerous factors, but the tanking culture being a top one), specifically the Jazz, and it hurts my soul a bit to see season after season of garbage, knowing that hey, they may not be garbage in 2035 when I'm 58 years old if everything works out.
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This x 1000.
 
Nate505 said:
Great, one team drew the lucky number, in a year where there actually was one can't miss generational once in a 20 year type prospect. Oddly enough it wasn't the team who had the most numbers in the proverbial fish bowl. In fact, two years in a row their number hasn't been drawn and they lost as much draft positioning as you can, despite having the most.

But that wasn't just the whole argument then. It was about what an amazing draft class it was, and how some of these guys would be sure fire first picks any other year, and how teams were nuts for not trying to get one of 3-5 different future HOF type players. Which is how every "deep" draft is hyped up. Very rarely does this actually pay off in reality, like in 2003, and even in that case it didn't pay off for the team drafting second.

And what happens in the meantime? A pretty worthless season that is uninteresting to watch. I mean, if I were playing this on an xbox or something, that's great. You can just sim the games until the next season in a minute and be done with it. In reality I really like basketball (well not as much anymore, due to numerous factors, but the tanking culture being a top one), specifically the Jazz, and it hurts my soul a bit to see season after season of garbage, knowing that hey, they may not be garbage in 2035 when I'm 58 years old if everything works out.
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Nate505 said:
Great, one team drew the lucky number, in a year where there actually was one can't miss generational once in a 20 year type prospect. Oddly enough it wasn't the team who had the most numbers in the proverbial fish bowl. In fact, two years in a row their number hasn't been drawn and they lost as much draft positioning as you can, despite having the most.

But that wasn't just the whole argument then. It was about what an amazing draft class it was, and how some of these guys would be sure fire first picks any other year, and how teams were nuts for not trying to get one of 3-5 different future HOF type players. Which is how every "deep" draft is hyped up. Very rarely does this actually pay off in reality, like in 2003, and even in that case it didn't pay off for the team drafting second.

And what happens in the meantime? A pretty worthless season that is uninteresting to watch. I mean, if I were playing this on an xbox or something, that's great. You can just sim the games until the next season in a minute and be done with it. In reality I really like basketball (well not as much anymore, due to numerous factors, but the tanking culture being a top one), specifically the Jazz, and it hurts my soul a bit to see season after season of garbage, knowing that hey, they may not be garbage in 2035 when I'm 58 years old if everything works out.
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I'm mostly in agreement with you, but at the same time I accept reality that you need patience and that tanking/losing is the most viable strategy to building a team that will have long-term success with a combined benefit of having a strong asset base to make moves.
 
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