The only reason it's good for the Jazz is they have Rudy Gobert. The more he plays, the better the Jazz are. Jazz would be a better team with Kanter willing to play a backup role. OKC got a great deal because Jazz didn't have much trade leverage. Jazz didn't get good value for Kanter, don't think either of the players they got in the deal will be anything more than end of the bench guys, and the second round pick is going to end up as another European player that will probably never end up in the NBA. The only way Jazz get any value is if they can sign someone in the offseason with the cap space they now have.
Are there any Kanter apologists left? What are they saying?
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The only reason it's good for the Jazz is they have Rudy Gobert. The more he plays, the better the Jazz are. Jazz would be a better team with Kanter willing to play a backup role. OKC got a great deal because Jazz didn't have much trade leverage. Jazz didn't get good value for Kanter, don't think either of the players they got in the deal will be anything more than end of the bench guys, and the second round pick is going to end up as another European player that will probably never end up in the NBA. The only way Jazz get any value is if they can sign someone in the offseason with the cap space they now have.
NAOS
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The following post is stuffed full of the worst kind of crap
Link? Kanter was **** at playing in the offensive system and was one of the worst defenders in space in the history of the organization.
Newsflash: the jazz DID get what Kanter was worth at the time of the trade. And, most importantly, your folsky knowledge of value doesn't mean **** in the real world.
I also love how you know the future playing potential of undrafted and unnamed players. Can you pass me the crystal ball and whatever drugs you're using? TIA!!
....there you go again with that "value" horse****.
Link? Kanter was **** at playing in the offensive system and was one of the worst defenders in space in the history of the organization.
Newsflash: the jazz DID get what Kanter was worth at the time of the trade. And, most importantly, your folsky knowledge of value doesn't mean **** in the real world.
I also love how you know the future playing potential of undrafted and unnamed players. Can you pass me the crystal ball and whatever drugs you're using? TIA!!
....there you go again with that "value" horse****.
Everybody knew that Kanter didn't want to be with the Jazz. I know that the Jazz didn't have any trade leverage. This meant that the Jazz had to take less back, and the other team was going to get a steal. Kanter had been wanting to be traded for a while before it happened, and wasn't buying into the system. If that were not the case, he would have been much better for the Jazz, and could have helped them. Value can mean many different things. While I realize that the Jazz probably couldn't have gotten much better for Kanter in a trade, the players we got back (and the second round draft pick) are not close to the value a motivated Kanter brings to your team.
Oh, and what I stated about the other players is an opinion *** hole. Look up the definition of that.
+lots.
Overall the Kanter situation wasn't well managed and the return was very poor. It just so happens that Gobert is such a superior talent in this league that the simple substraction of playing time for Kanter so that it is given to Gobert makes the positive difference. but Kanter is a good player which well used would have been a plus.
The Blue Elephant
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It was Kanters time to shine but Rudy developed so fast. It is not Kanters fault that Rudy developed into a top 5 center already and still have the sky as the limit.
I really hate this narrative that some posters have that if you support Kanter you are somehow anti Jazz or anti Rudy Gobert.
I really hate this narrative that some posters have that if you support Kanter you are somehow anti Jazz or anti Rudy Gobert.
To me, Kanter was another piece of fools gold, a guy with big O who looked good there but gave it all back on D. Like Big Al, Sap, and Boozer. Good players but never gonna get you far in the playoffs, where D takes over.
Yet Milsap is one of the better defenders in the league now. Something tells me it wasn't just the players the last say, 2 1/2 years before now. Boozer was bad, but I think Milsap and Big Al were worse due to Corbin.
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As decent a person as Al Jefferson is, he is a proven loser in the the NBA.
So there's that.
Prove it. 6'6" pf have a very tough time being good defenders. His TEAM is playing great D, props to him and his coach for that, but that does not make personnalyy one of the "better defenders". Boozer played for some great Chicago D teams.
I remember Sap's last year with the Jazz, a radio show had the "NBA scout" on. He said that the jazz would go nowhere until they realized that they would go nowhere with Sap as the PF. Great guy, overachiever, clutch, but way, way undersized.
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Great job of rudely putting everyone on thier place naos. You are the best.
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You the Gobert of this thread. I love the they didn't get what he is worth crowd... something is worth what people are willing to give up for them. It's called market price folks... deal with it.
addictionary
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Yet the Hawks are one of the best teams in the NBA with Sap as their PF. I have no idea how accurate this site is, but on defensive ratings it has Milsap 3rd in defensive rating and 4th in defensive win shares https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html. Can't find a lot of other sites that show individual defensive rating, but I don't think you'd argue any of the other top 10 are among the best in the league.
I don't think anyone is really arguing that they didn't get market value (at least thats not what I'm arguing). They just had to sell way low. His abilities as a player > return on the trade. Thats what happens when you sell low, you get less value.
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And timing and season and demanding roster gaps and those sort of things tend to affect that market price, demand quite a lot, so I think in this case people are emphasizing the timing of the trade more than Jazz front office blowing it up in bargaining. I agree with the ones who say that the Jazz should have traded Kanter before he asked for trade. I also agree with people that the Jazz should have kept him and wait for the offseason to make a move. But I think they found the motivation of Rudy Gobert too important to tolerate keeping Kanter at home. Because if Kanter was still in Jazz uniform, they would have needed to keep playing him to keep his value up. Enes was performing well lately in Jazz uniform. I think the Jazz didn't want to gamble any more on him and were stoked about Rudy's emergence and wanted to leave this story behind. So value is a relative thing, you are definitely right. We can go around and say that the FO could have made a deal with Milwaukee Bucks so the Jazz could get a few good pieces. But it's not a fault that they didn't act too hardballs on the trade. It was a choice. To me at least.
I'd love to see Ibaka shove him in the back and tell him where he needs to be on defense.
NAOS
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The jazz didn't get value for a player who didn't exist?
Srs, braugh, pass me whatever you're smoking.
framer
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I think if Kanter had been drafted at #14, nobody would care about the drama. Getting a top 3 NBA center (easily next year) makes fools like Kanter expendable no matter where they were drafted. You just don't screw with a player top 5 at his position, and retaining Kanter would have required screwing with Gobert. I just can't imagine Kanter EVER playing in the clutch like Favors did last night. He is a great bench player that refuses to recognize he is a bench player. You don't keep guys like that around, let alone at 15 million a year. The fact we got ANY assets out of him is cool. How many assets did the Nuggets get for trading Gobert?