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Are there any Kanter apologists left? What are they saying?

LazyD said:
Because someone is ripped they should be excused for sucking at defense?
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Dude, can you read and understand sentences?

Did I say something like that? The guy said Kanter didn't care for defense, and I tried to prove him wrong with saying, the one off-season he bulked up so much to be able to play better the defensive game.
It is not an excuse for sucking at defense. The excuse is, 3 years Jazz had the time to teach him some defense, Utah didn't. But sayin Kanter didn't care is funny and not true.
 
sepulchre said:
Yeah, yeah. Sure. I am tired of repeating all the same things all over again. See my posting from here.
Picking the "27" minutes but without looking closely, is the problem. This year he was benched so often and Snyder made his rotations, even he was on fire. But hold back when others were on fire.
And This is his 4th year. I talked about the 3 years before. If these years weren't wasted, now in his 4th year we wouldn't talk about his sucking in defensive game. He didn't want to concentrate on defense?
After season 1 or 2 he was ripped like Ibaka but yet nobody cared (he was in this sports center for bulking up).
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Did you expect a guy who hadn't played in a year to get 30 mins/per as a rookie? He got 13, which is the same Gobert got his rookie season (except Rudy got a lot of DNP-CD's). Kanter played in all 66 games (it was the strike-shortened season). Next season I concede he should have played 20+ instead of 15/per. But don't tell me he didn't benefit a TON by working on his moves with Big Al. Year 3: Jazz make the HUGE commitment to Enes by letting Big Al go. Enes repays them by SUCKING on defense. He's SO bad they move him to the 2nd unit...but still have him getting his normal minutes (27/per). Late in the season he's again starting. This year they stick by him AGAIN. He was NOT benched so often. Snyder had him starting. Sure, there were some times Gobert might go in for defense. But there were times Rudy was then pulled out and Kanter put back in for offense.

And being ripped? What in the hell does that have to do with basketball? You have to be in shape, yes. But more muscle mass does not automatically make you a better player. Kanter had a ton of chances to shine. His desire to NOT play defensively was what held him back. Look, Favors had the SAME coaches. Why did he not SUCK at defense if it is the coaches' fault? Derrick manned up and put forth the effort. Kanter was all about offense. Any excuses he or Ergul makes is just B.S. What it comes down to is he was beaten out by a HUNGRIER player. One who was concerned with how he could make the TEAM better, not just pad his stats.
 
sepulchre said:
Dude, can you read and understand sentences?

Did I say something like that? The guy said Kanter didn't care for defense, and I tried to prove him wrong with saying, the one off-season he bulked up so much to be able to play better the defensive game.
It is not an excuse for sucking at defense. The excuse is, 3 years Jazz had the time to teach him some defense, Utah didn't. But sayin Kanter didn't care is funny and not true.
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That's the reason why he got shredded? You have personal contact with this fool?

Personally, I don't think he fails to care about defense, nor did the Jazz fail in teaching him defense - he just sucks at it. He is incredibly slow both moving and reacting and will never be a plus defender. That's okay, some players just aren't meant to be good defenders in the NBA. I rather like not having him on the Jazz anymore because teams would just mercilessly run the PNR at him and score basket after basket. It will be interesting to see how the Thunder handle this if Kanter plays in the playoffs. Maybe Westbrook and Ibaka will be enough to cover up the gaping holes Kanter creates on defense.
 
Can we trade NAOS for a Clutchfan and a Foreigner-who's-a-fan-of-his/her-countryman to be named later?

Or is that not equivalent value?
 
sepulchre said:
Yeah, yeah. Sure. I am tired of repeating all the same things all over again. See my posting from here.
Picking the "27" minutes but without looking closely, is the problem. This year he was benched so often and Snyder made his rotations, even he was on fire. But hold back when others were on fire.
And This is his 4th year. I talked about the 3 years before. If these years weren't wasted, now in his 4th year we wouldn't talk about his sucking in defensive game. He didn't want to concentrate on defense?
After season 1 or 2 he was ripped like Ibaka but yet nobody cared (he was in this sports center for bulking up).
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Kanter teh victim.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Did you expect a guy who hadn't played in a year to get 30 mins/per as a rookie? He got 13, which is the same Gobert got his rookie season (except Rudy got a lot of DNP-CD's). Kanter played in all 66 games (it was the strike-shortened season). Next season I concede he should have played 20+ instead of 15/per. But don't tell me he didn't benefit a TON by working on his moves with Big Al. Year 3: Jazz make the HUGE commitment to Enes by letting Big Al go. Enes repays them by SUCKING on defense. He's SO bad they move him to the 2nd unit...but still have him getting his normal minutes (27/per). Late in the season he's again starting. This year they stick by him AGAIN. He was NOT benched so often. Snyder had him starting. Sure, there were some times Gobert might go in for defense. But there were times Rudy was then pulled out and Kanter put back in for offense.

And being ripped? What in the hell does that have to do with basketball? You have to be in shape, yes. But more muscle mass does not automatically make you a better player. Kanter had a ton of chances to shine. His desire to NOT play defensively was what held him back. Look, Favors had the SAME coaches. Why did he not SUCK at defense if it is the coaches' fault? Derrick manned up and put forth the effort. Kanter was all about offense. Any excuses he or Ergul makes is just B.S. What it comes down to is he was beaten out by a HUNGRIER player. One who was concerned with how he could make the TEAM better, not just pad his stats.
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Pick Nr 3, not just someone random. I didn't expect him start over Jefferson or Millsap, but compare his draft position and draft class with his treatment. BE FAIR!



3rd year big commiment? Just starting in 37 games... No Al, no Millsap. Big commitment? WHERE?

And I didn't say that more muscle mass makes you a better player. And he was not in shape, he was more than that. After season 1 or 2 (I don't remember) he worked very very hard. Your point was that he didn't care for the defensive game and I tried to show you that this is not true. He cared and worked very hard to gain muscles to play better in defense. So your point is not valid.
And Gobert is not hungrier than Kanter. Gobert has just a unique advantage over every player.
 
Cy said:
Kanter teh victim.
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LazyD said:
That's the reason why he got shredded? You have personal contact with this fool?
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Look, Kanter is gone, right? Why did I register? Because now I wanted to participate in this community. No more Kanter, no more "you homer" messages. But these kind of messages from above make me realize how fu**ed up Jazz fans are and it makes me leave this place. You behave like little children and are very rude. You keep insulting people and say things like Cancer.
I don't root for any team in the NBA, but I like some. Jazz is one of them. But slowly because of this fanbase, I think I have to rethink it.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Did you expect a guy who hadn't played in a year to get 30 mins/per as a rookie? He got 13, which is the same Gobert got his rookie season (except Rudy got a lot of DNP-CD's). Kanter played in all 66 games (it was the strike-shortened season). Next season I concede he should have played 20+ instead of 15/per. But don't tell me he didn't benefit a TON by working on his moves with Big Al. Year 3: Jazz make the HUGE commitment to Enes by letting Big Al go. Enes repays them by SUCKING on defense. He's SO bad they move him to the 2nd unit...but still have him getting his normal minutes (27/per). Late in the season he's again starting. This year they stick by him AGAIN. He was NOT benched so often. Snyder had him starting. Sure, there were some times Gobert might go in for defense. But there were times Rudy was then pulled out and Kanter put back in for offense.

And being ripped? What in the hell does that have to do with basketball? You have to be in shape, yes. But more muscle mass does not automatically make you a better player. Kanter had a ton of chances to shine. His desire to NOT play defensively was what held him back. Look, Favors had the SAME coaches. Why did he not SUCK at defense if it is the coaches' fault? Derrick manned up and put forth the effort. Kanter was all about offense. Any excuses he or Ergul makes is just B.S. What it comes down to is he was beaten out by a HUNGRIER player. One who was concerned with how he could make the TEAM better, not just pad his stats.
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It took too much time for the Jazz to realise that Kanter and Favors can not play together. Favors defense is quite good but not good enough to camouflage Kanter's defensive limitations. It was obvious that Gobert would have been the Jazz future center....Jazz have chosen Favors over Kanter. Next season will be indicative to judge if the Jazz made the right choice.
 
Let me look around....ah yes there are some apologists over in that corner. No, wait. My mistake those are Jazz front office apologists, not Kanter apologists. I also see some Ty Corbin impact minimalists, some Kanter Draft Revisionists, several Monday-morning quarterbacks, a misanthrope and a straw man.
 
sepulchre said:
Look, Kanter is gone, right? Why did I register? Because now I wanted to participate in this community. No more Kanter, no more "you homer" messages. But these kind of messages from above make me realize how fu**ed up Jazz fans are and it makes me leave this place. You behave like little children and are very rude. You keep insulting people and say things like Cancer.
I don't root for any team in the NBA, but I like some. Jazz is one of them. But slowly because of this fanbase, I think I have to rethink it.
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Lol Kancer teh foolish victim
 
Diamond77 said:
It took too much time for the Jazz to realise that Kanter and Favors can not play together. Favors defense is quite good but not good enough to camouflage Kanter's defensive limitations. It was obvious that Gobert would have been the Jazz future center....Jazz have chosen Favors over Kanter. Next season will be indicative to judge if the Jazz made the right choice.
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Next Year? If the decision was Kanter vs Favors then Kanter was doomed from the start. Favors is simply better. Better (by a lot) on defense, even on offense.
 
sepulchre said:
Pick Nr 3, not just someone random. I didn't expect him start over Jefferson or Millsap, but compare his draft position and draft class with his treatment. BE FAIR!



3rd year big commiment? Just starting in 37 games... No Al, no Millsap. Big commitment? WHERE?

And I didn't say that more muscle mass makes you a better player. And he was not in shape, he was more than that. After season 1 or 2 (I don't remember) he worked very very hard. Your point was that he didn't care for the defensive game and I tried to show you that this is not true. He cared and worked very hard to gain muscles to play better in defense. So your point is not valid.
And Gobert is not hungrier than Kanter. Gobert has just a unique advantage over every player.
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Kanter had an argument with a former Jazz player where he said he didn't care about defense.
 
Anybody watching Kanter play. He is playing all out for OKC. They won without Westbrook and Durant with Kanter having a 16 15 5 Assist game. hIM AND iBAKA are playing great together like I seen Kanter and Gobert playing together. The jazz went for the all defense combo and as long as they can grab some offense its a good move.they still could have traded KANTER sooner to get more for him but the Jazz are winning so all is good.
 
And if this was a positive Kanter thread,you Kanter haters would have negged all positive posts regarding Kanter and screamed to the rooftops to move the thread to general sports. just saying
 
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