Article on the Vaccine Issue

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I actually tangled with another one, through email, in addition to Barrett -- he had a username that I forget but he was affiliated with one of the big medical schools in Michigan, I think it was.

Are you talking about Orac? I bet you gave him quite a few laughs.

 

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The rise of this movement is another sign post of the decline of our society.

Sorry, but people have always been this stupid. No decline in our society.

 

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Do you see me insulting them or calling names? That's not policing speech but behavior.

You mean, the behavior of them saying things? That's speech. I wonder how divorced from reality you have to be to think the behavior of using words to express thoughts is not speech?

 

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I think that when deciding whether or not to accept any given vaccine, people have a right to know what the ingredients of the vaccine are, what function they're supposed to perform, what the risks are, and what the clinical and practical history of the vaccine is. To accept or reject vaccines categorically would be irresponsible, since there's such variance among them. I don't like this obtuse discourse over whether people should simply accept or reject all vaccines.

 

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I think that when deciding whether or not to accept any given vaccine, people have a right to know what the ingredients of the vaccine are, what function they're supposed to play, and what the clinical and practical history of the vaccine is. To accept or reject vaccines categorically would be irresponsible, since there's such variance among them.

Can you tell me the ingredients, the function of each ingredient, and the clinical and practical history of your toothpaste, without looking it up?

How much time to you think needs to be spent on each vaccination in the presentation of this information? 10 minutes per?

 

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I think that when deciding whether or not to accept any given vaccine, people have a right to know what the ingredients of the vaccine are, what function they're supposed to perform, what the risks are, and what the clinical and practical history of the vaccine is. To accept or reject vaccines categorically would be irresponsible, since there's such variance among them. I don't like this obtuse discourse over whether people should simply accept or reject all vaccines.

They info is out there for anyone interested.

Vaccines are proven, over and over again, medical science.

Being informed is great. We should all strive for being more informed on more topics. But accepting them all is not in the same category as rejecting them. Ones dangerous and ones lazy.

 

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Are you talking about Orac? I bet you gave him quite a few laughs.

Yes, that's the guy. Big Pharma shill. Made all these posts I forget on what website slandering holistic treatment for cancer. Then I found out he was involved in introducing a new chemo drug, that was about 6 or 7 years ago. All I know is I've seen people suffer horribly with chemo and I also know that there have been holistic treatments that have actually worked and been suppressed by our government. Doctors are subject to losing their license in some states if they claim to use alternative methods to treat cancer, so they have to disguise by saying they are giving supplements. It's disgusting how people don't have the freedom to decide what treatment they should have.

 

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I have concerns over EMs mental stability. Truly. Told him, twice to leave me alone via PMs and he wouldn’t. So here it is publicly. Eenie, you need help. But I do NOT want you messaging me privately again. I have told you not to. Any further PMs will be reported. Every single one.

 

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You mean, the behavior of them saying things? That's speech. I wonder how divorced from reality you have to be to think the behavior of using words to express thoughts is not speech?

Words are what are used, yes, but they are used to act in a disrespectful manner, and action is behavior.

 

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I have concerns over EMs mental stability. Truly. Told him, twice to leave me alone via PMs and he wouldn’t. So here it is publicly. Eenie, you need help. But I do NOT want you messaging me privately again. I have told you not to. Any further PMs will be reported. Every single one.

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Yes, and that's how I feel ... I have no problem with this because I have said it before.

 

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I think that when deciding whether or not to accept any given vaccine, people have a right to know what the ingredients of the vaccine are, what function they're supposed to perform, what the risks are, and what the clinical and practical history of the vaccine is. To accept or reject vaccines categorically would be irresponsible, since there's such variance among them. I don't like this obtuse discourse over whether people should simply accept or reject all vaccines.

And if you read my posts, you will notice that I never have rejected vaccines. I expressed concerns about them. But the people on here who want to vent their hate on me have twisted everything out of proportion, calling me names and irresponsible, and even suggesting I am mentally unstable.

 

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I've had more than the average amount of vaccines, like for anthrax and **** that I don't think most people have had. Give me every vaccine and every flu shot and every GMO you got. I can't get enough!

 

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Something I found on Quora for you to bitch about. Check out what this guy says. See if there's substance to it, before you start screaming like idiots:

Augustine Rivera, studied Political Science & Biology at San Jose State University
Answered Oct 11
Yes two things:

1) you can point at the scientific proof, actual vaccine-damaged autistic children

2) you can look at the huge evidence for brain harms caused by aluminum and wonder why in heaven’s name we are injecting it into tiny, tiny babies who may not even have the capabilities to clear it out.

First, look at the autistic kids and how they got that way. Here’s one of them, Hannah Poling.

She was perfectly fine as a baby until the day she received 5 shots in a day at the age of 19 months. She then regressed into autism.

Now normally doctors, scientists, and pro-vaccine pundits would do their normal song and dance, “oh-it’s-coincidence”, “maybe the water made her autistic”, “it was aliens that made her autistic”, “she was going to become autistic anyway”, BUT in this case her father Jon Poling is a well-known neurologist AND he had brain scans done of Hannah prior to the vaccines showing she was normal.

After that vaccines, she regressed. The causal case was clear. Babies do not just randomly go autistic. We have to look at probable cause. In this case, it was clear enough such that the courts decided to award his family a record amount.

Then CDC head Julie Gerberding then did an amazing PR move by blaming “mitochondrial disease” as the ultimate cause of Hannah Poling’s decline. She theorized that the vaccines in conjunction with mitochondrial disease caused the autism.

Still it’s fairly clear, if Hannah Poling had never gotten those vaccines, she would never have gotten autism. Causal-relationship that is observed in real-life indicates scientific proof.

Jon Poling - Wikipedia

Second, doctors and authorities don’t like to talk about this. But the aluminum in the vaccines is a problem, not just a little problem, but huge.

It’s so big that it makes my stomach cringe each time I realize that the nation of America gives the Hepatitis B shot and a healthy dose of aluminum to babies on their first-day of life for a sexually-transmitted disease that affects less than 1% of the populace. Also mind you this STD takes like 30+ years to kill you. It’s so ridiculous.

The amount of research on this aluminum bad hombre is so startling that it befuddles me how most doctors don’t know about it. Dang isn’t this what medschool is for?

Aluminum in the central nervous system (CNS): toxicity in humans and animals, vaccine adjuvants, and autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm...

The neurotoxicity of environmental aluminum is still an issue
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

Look at this last one… dang it it’s in the data already! Aluminum linked to autism!!

Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14...

Look we can make autism happen in mice with aluminum!

Subcutaneous injections of aluminum at vaccine adjuvant levels activate innate immune genes in mouse brain that are homologous with biomarkers of autism
http://www.sciencedirect.com/sci...

Aluminum in Childhood Vaccines Is Unsafe
http://www.jpands.org/vol21no4/m...

Look you can read about the toxicity of aluminum from the horse’s mouth, the FDA:

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxpro...

And here’s a layman explanation for how aluminum can lead to autism.

Introduction to Al Adjuvant and Autism-20 pages, 97 references

Come on folks it’s time to wake up. It’s time to see the pro-vaccine pundit message for what it is:

Lastly, the vaccine pundits like to claim that the CDC has done study after study saying that no vaccine-autism link has been found.

But what they fail to mention is that a link has been found and it was deliberately repressed.

There is a whistleblower at the CDC William Thompson who said they had found a link between MMR and autism, and that threw the data away to make the connection go away.

Yes. It’s so ridiculous that you should go read it again. You almost can’t believe it.

Then you should realize that William Thompson gave hours of sword testimony to a Congressman William Posey.

William Thompson whistleblower
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven...

Really it’s time to wake up. Most pro-vaccine material is funded by Big Pharma. Certainly this is true of any public relations marketing campaigns to limit damage from scientific evidence that puts vaccines in a bad light.

Look they even lie about the number of flu deaths in the United States:

Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths

Bad Big Pharma! Bad Big Pharma!

Finally, it’s time to put an end to the autism epidemic. There has been so much suffering on part of American families and even the autistic themselves that we need to try something new.

I recommend this book, How to End the Autism Epidemic by JB Handley:

How to End the Autism Epidemic: J.B. Handley: 9781603588249: Amazon.com: Books

It’s time for reform of a medical system that has gone out of control, and to really deal with autism.

 

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What was that one big recent study? 660k kids studied since from 99-10...vaccinated children were 10% less likely to have autism?

Is that really just a coincidental blip?

I mean, after social factors, that 10% close enough to disappeared. But how do any of those studies hold up to the analytics in a practical manner?

 

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What was that one big recent study? 660k kids studied since from 99-10...vaccinated children were 10% less likely to have autism?

Is that really just a coincidental blip?

I mean, after social factors, that 10% close enough to disappeared. But how do any of those studies hold up to the analytics in a practical manner?

I didn't check out the guy's sources, just put it up, fyi ... if anyone does. Thought there were some interesting things mentioned. Which is what I've been doing in the first place. Instead, I get attacked for telling people not to get vaccinated.

 

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I didn't check out the guy's sources, just put it up, fyi ... if anyone does. Thought there were some interesting things mentioned. Which is what I've been doing in the first place. Instead, I get attacked for telling people not to get vaccinated.

There are many reasons to ignore "but what about" arguments. I won't pretend to know what everyone else is thinking, but I don't want a needle touching my skin. I get the **** over it because the results are better for me and society.

There are hundreds of medical interventions out there that are harmful, and have seriously negative side effects. But using that intervention outweighs the risk. This doesn't feel any different

 

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Yes, that's the guy. Big Pharma shill. Made all these posts I forget on what website slandering holistic treatment for cancer. Then I found out he was involved in introducing a new chemo drug, that was about 6 or 7 years ago.

Yes, his real-life persona is a breast cancer surgeon and researcher, and like every responsible cancder specialist he prescribes chemotherapy.

All I know is I've seen people suffer horribly with chemo...

Some people suffer horribly with physical exercise. I still extends their life.

...and I also know that there have been holistic treatments that have actually worked and been suppressed by our government.

Well, there are quack that lie about holistic treatments curing cancer or other diseases, which is against the law. However, if they merely claim something meaningless, like boosting the immune system to help against cancer, they are doing nothing illegal and aren't suppressed. Sure, it's immoral, but you have to expect that from quacks.

Doctors are subject to losing their license in some states if they claim to use alternative methods to treat cancer, so they have to disguise by saying they are giving supplements. It's disgusting how people don't have the freedom to decide what treatment they should have.

Insurance companies only like to pay for treatments that work; governments like to prosecute fraud. I have no objection with either.

 

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Words are what are used, yes, but they are used to act in a disrespectful manner, and action is behavior.

Yes, disrespectful speech.

 

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There are hundreds of medical interventions out there that are harmful, and have seriously negative side effects. But using that intervention outweighs the risk. This doesn't feel any different

The only difference is that vaccines have mildly negative side effects, almost always.

 

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Something I found on Quora for you to bitch about. Check out what this guy says. See if there's substance to it, before you start screaming like idiots:

Augustine Rivera, studied Political Science & Biology at San Jose State University
Answered Oct 11
Yes two things:

1) you can point at the scientific proof, actual vaccine-damaged autistic children

Probably, you can find autistic kids who got vaccines and suffered a fever or a rash, and were "vaccine-damaged". What you cant find is kids who got autism from vaccines.

2) you can look at the huge evidence for brain harms caused by aluminum and wonder why in heaven’s name we are injecting it into tiny, tiny babies who may not even have the capabilities to clear it out.

What about the sodium and the chlorine? Did you know that there is a company whose mission is to put the dangerous poisons of sodium (explodes on contact with water) and chlorine (the primary component of mustard gas) on to every table in the world? They try seem harmless by putting their poisons in a cylindrical blue box, and on the label is a little girl with an umbrella, but don't be fooled. What's inside that box is sodium and chlorine! Why don't you go reporting on Morten's?

First, look at the autistic kids and how they got that way. Here’s one of them, Hannah Poling.

Hannah Poling doesn't have autism.

https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/03/10/the-hannah-poling-case-and-the-rebrandin

BUT in this case her father Jon Poling is a well-known neurologist AND he had brain scans done of Hannah prior to the vaccines showing she was normal.

Yeah, that doesn't sound suspicious at all. He just happened to take his kid in for the normal 18-month-brain scan? I have fond memories of my kids 18-month-brain scans.

That's all the ignorance I have time for today. See you around.