As of today, is it fair to doubt the organization's commitment to the playoffs next year?

[Stoked]

I think we are still in on conversations... you never know. I also think we might be in the same place we were with the D Will trade where we are waiting for other chips to fall before making our move... Example

Aldridge decides to go to houston and they need to clear Terrence Jones, Ariza etc and we pick one of those guys up. Someone else brought up Toronto if Wes goes there... Patterson might be available (one aside... don't trade with Massai... just don't even call him... he's a frickin warlock or something... can't believe he got a first for Vasquez.) David West wants to go to SA and they need to clear Diaw and Mills to do so...

Stuff like that. I didn't lose one ounce of faith i just don't think we could get anything done... i know we are trying and I'm glad its quietly trying. I really like how everything our front office does stays under the radar.

I think DL could take him.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I am talking about starting Harris. I like Burks, but I think Harris is a definite upgrade and a potential All Star. If we get Harris, someone's minutes will disappear. I'd rather roll the dice on Hood than Burks.

Don't get me wrong, I love Burks and I would be happy to just keep the team as is. But I would also consider Harris an upgrade.

Great post. I happen to agree with you, and would be perfectly fine with a starting lineup of Gobert, Favors, Harris, Hayward and Exum. I also think that Burks would be fantastic in Trey Burke's current role on the team. I'd be very happy with that signing.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think DL could take him.

he dumped Novak on our *** last summer... just don't call him DL

 

[Stoked]

I am talking about starting Harris. I like Burks, but I think Harris is a definite upgrade and a potential All Star. If we get Harris, someone's minutes will disappear. I'd rather roll the dice on Hood than Burks.

Don't get me wrong, I love Burks and I would be happy to just keep the team as is. But I would also consider Harris an upgrade.

Great post. I happen to agree with you, and would be perfectly fine with a starting lineup of Gobert, Favors, Harris, Hayward and Exum. I also think that Burks would be fantastic in Trey Burke's current role on the team. I'd be very happy with that signing.

I'm not so sure. I want to see what a dialed in, injury free Burks can do under Snyder. Look at how almost everyone else blossomed under Snyder. Is it crazy to think that a finally healthy Burks will blossom as well?

 

[Siro]

Great post. I happen to agree with you, and would be perfectly fine with a starting lineup of Gobert, Favors, Harris, Hayward and Exum. I also think that Burks would be fantastic in Trey Burke's current role on the team. I'd be very happy with that signing.

Oh, Burks in place of Burke! I didn't even think of that! I'm just not sure he would be happy with such a role. If he is, our bench would instantly go from "thin and impotent" to "pretty lethal".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also Jared Dudley should fire his agent... Dude would have got $10 M plus for 4 years yesterday... I'm convinced of it.

 

[Stoked]

he dumped Novak on our *** last summer... just don't call him DL

Novak came super cheap and was worth a shot. He was good trade filler that helped facilitate the Kanter trade as well...

 

[Deleted member 848]

Who cares about next year-- anyone who thinks that the Jazz of the DL-era isn't committed to bringing a championship to Utah is frankly, and I mean this honestly, stupid.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

 

[Siro]

I'm not so sure. I want to see what a dialed in, injury free Burks can do under Snyder. Look at how almost everyone else blossomed under Snyder. Is it crazy to think that a finally healthy Burks will blossom as well?

Harris averages 18 ppg on 47.5% shooting (nearly 41% from the 3)! He is a great rebounder, and an underrated defender. He is only 22 year old and has shown notable improvement every year. It is unlikely that Burks will ever be as good. I would be happy singing him at 15m/y.

Check out this detailed analytics article on Harris:

https://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

 

[NAOS]

Who cares about next year-- anyone who thinks that the Jazz of the DL-era isn't committed to bringing a championship to Utah is frankly, and I mean this honestly, stupid.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

You don't care about next year?

You can't help yourself, can you.

If you care about championships, then you care about each successive year. Look at OKC, everyone assumed that they would have a huge championship window. What are they thinking now?

The very second that you aren't concerned about high draft picks, then you've got to be concerned about getting as deep into the playoffs as possible. Carroll, Green, etc would have absolutely helped in that regard, while also opening up the floor and thus aiding Exum, Favors, and Gobert's development, in particular. And, even at these inflated prices, they don't necessary inhibit our ability to keep our core together.

We didn't get these guys. I can live with that. What I'm having a hard time with is (a) this ridiculous chest-thumping that we don't need those players, (b) the idea that signing these players would strap us financially, and (c) the resistance to the idea that this was an excellent opportunity to add talent to the team.

 

[Harambe]

Who cares about next year-- anyone who thinks that the Jazz of the DL-era isn't committed to bringing a championship to Utah is frankly, and I mean this honestly, stupid.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

You know better than to engage it..

 

[Stoked]

Harris averages 18 ppg on 47.5% shooting (nearly 41% from the 3)! He is a great rebounder, and an underrated defender. He is only 22 year old and has shown notable improvement every year. It is unlikely that Burks will ever be as good. I would be happy singing him at 15m/y.

Check out this detailed analytics article on Harris:

https://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

I really think that 4 players are going to just explode on the Jazz. Gobert, Exum, Hood and Burks. I'm not opposed to a Harris signing. I just think Burks is going to be great as well.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

he dumped Novak on our *** last summer... just don't call him DL

Depends on how you break down the Kanter trade. If you accept that we traded Kanter for Pleiss and a 1st, then the 2nd round pick we got was for Novak, which means DL acquired 2 2nds for a half year of Novak. People can dispute that if they want, but I never believed Novak would play when he was traded to Utah. Situational players like sharp shooters who are too much of a defensive liability to get any real playing time still have value at the deadline for teams looking to make a playoff push.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Harris averages 18 ppg on 47.5% shooting (nearly 41% from the 3)! He is a great rebounder, and an underrated defender. He is only 22 year old and has shown notable improvement every year. It is unlikely that Burks will ever be as good. I would be happy singing him at 15m/y.

Check out this detailed analytics article on Harris:

https://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

It's not an either or for me with Burks or Harris... I want both. I think Burks is gonna have a great year and is signed very inexpensively. If he puts up numbers his trade value goes waaaay up.

If Harris wants to come we would have to bring him off the bench as a super sub... he would play a little less than 30 minutes per game and it would prolong his career. He'd be an important contributor on a winner and play with unselfish guys and the best rim protection in the NBA. If he isn't interested in that then go sign with the Knicks or Lakers and enjoy putting up stats on ****ty teams.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Depends on how you break down the Kanter trade. If you accept that we traded Kanter for Pleiss and a 1st, then the 2nd round pick we got was for Novak, which means DL acquired 2 2nds for a half year of Novak. People can dispute that if they want, but I never believed Novak would play when he was traded to Utah. Situational players like sharp shooters who are too much of a defensive liability to get any real playing time still have value at the deadline for teams looking to make a playoff push.

I think part of the value of the Kanter trade was dumping Novak. It wasn't a horrible trade I just think Masai either wins the trade or he doesn't do the deal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With Monroe signing in Milwaukee and LA and NY getting the shaft... I think winning this year is even more important to our FA attempts next year and in the future. Guys are starting to care more and more about winning imo.

 

[green]

Harris averages 18 ppg on 47.5% shooting (nearly 41% from the 3)! He is a great rebounder, and an underrated defender. He is only 22 year old and has shown notable improvement every year. It is unlikely that Burks will ever be as good. I would be happy singing him at 15m/y.

Check out this detailed analytics article on Harris:

https://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

I agree with you. I don't get why people love potential so much. You have Harris, who is at level B and 1% chance at level A. You have Burks, who is level C, with 60% chance of getting to level B and 1% chance at level A.

Yet so many people would rather have Burks than Harris. Makes no sense.

It's like the rumored Kanter, Burks and a pick for Harden. That trade is a no brainer. You make that trade.

 

[Stoked]

I think part of the value of the Kanter trade was dumping Novak. It wasn't a horrible trade I just think Masai either wins the trade or he doesn't do the deal.

Just because Masai won does not mean DL lost. 2 2nd rounders for a few months of Novak sounds like a winner to me. Win win

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree with you. I don't get why people love potential so much. You have Harris, who is at level B and 1% chance at level A. You have Burks, who is level C, with 60% chance of getting to level B and 1% chance at level A.

Yet so many people would rather have Burks than Harris. Makes no sense.

It's like the rumored Kanter, Burks and a pick for Harden. That trade is a no brainer. You make that trade.

Harris vs. Burks is partly positional for me. Harris is versatile forward, but the wing position in the NBA is at a premium right now. Burks jumper improving last year was big for me... if you add in his finishing from the previous year and that he spent half the year studying basketball and I think he could be a great player at a position that has a talent discrepancy.

I think Harris is more replaceable than Burks, but agree that Harris is further along in his development.

 

[NAOS]

You know better than to engage it..

ElRoach0 informs me that he "cares more about the health of the board" than he does about "talking basketball." Meaning, he will righteously deuce on a conversation about the jazz (on jazzfanz.com), in order to paternally protect what he thinks is right and fair. Only prideful ****s can't see how that action right there is bad for the board.

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