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At what point is it time to get concerned about Hayward?

I like Hayward's swagger and the way he went at George defensively and did not back down. It seemed like he was focused on defense.

His offensive poise and decisiveness seem off to me.

I think it is good thread and a valid question, although I am 99% sure Hayward will be fine.

It is a good test to see who steps up and proves that the Jazz have some offensive alternatives.
 
silesian said:
Yeah, I hear a lot of people debating whether we can tale a series against the Warriors. (head scratching)
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Just the same as I don't hear alot of people calling Hayward "first option offense" here though, because extolling the virtues of his versatility paints him in a better light vs other upper echelon wings..

Haywards better than this guy right? (just poll Jazzfanz, you'll see) I've seen people post they think Hay's better than Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVD9mo69j7w



Is it not a fair question to ask 'how are the Jazz supposed to beat/outscore the Warriors'? They were the best team for the entire season last year, and a conference opponent. Plus - The Jazz strength is defending the rim, and the Warriors shot almost 40% from 3 collectively last year -- I have my doubts a Hayward led Jazz team will ever be able to outscore them.. (are those unreasonable doubts?? - explain pls)



There's gotta be an established hierarchy of best options on offense when you get to the playoffs, If Hayward isn't capable of handling that 1st option offense, It'd be prudent to recognize that ASAP and adjust accordingly..
 
I think Hayward has struggled hard so far in these three games. The thing I'm most worried about is his body language. He looks frustrated out there and somewhat confused offensively when he tries to score.
He has missed allot of wide open shots that normally go in.
Last night he had zero rebounds.

I figure he will snap out of this funk and play like we know he can. I just hope he does it sooner rather than later.

A 9 per is not very good right?
 
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I think there's plenty of legitimate thinkings that suggest it's a temporary thing
a) father time hindered him to match their competitor's workload and now he needs some extra time to get his rhythm
b) simple bad streak
c) Synder wants to use the early part of the season to see who else can step up and gave Gordon temporarily a smaller role
 
I hate to be the jackass that makes this thread btw.. It's only fair though. If we're going to hold players to unreasonable standards here, which is commonplace. Then this thread/topic deserves some attention..

When the Jazz finally break thru to the playoffs, I really, really hope they dont show up with a water pistol to a gunfight, which is precisely what happened in 2012.
 
PG_AB said:
I hate to be the jackass that makes this thread btw.. It's only fair though. If we're going to hold players to unreasonable standards here, which is commonplace. Then this thread/topic deserves some attention..

When the Jazz finally break thru to the playoffs, I really, really hope they dont show up with a water pistol to a gunfight, which is precisely what happened in 2012.
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Don't get too excited. Defenses are focusing on Hayward and Fsvors now. So Gordon is correctly swinging the ball to Hood.
 
Hayward has high scoring games games as well PG_AB. your post didn't really prove anything as 1 game is not even int he ball park of a big enough sample size.
 
Hayward has played like **** so far this season, and it's not just his scoring. But it isn't like he hasn't gone thru slumps before. He'll rebound soon enough. I'm excited to see the Jazz play this well without the typical performance from Hayward. That's very encouraging.
 
Stoked said:
Hayward has high scoring games games as well PG_AB. your post didn't really prove anything as 1 game is not even int he ball park of a big enough sample size.
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Not in the Conference finals vs Lebron though... Do I need to post Haywards playoff stats from that series?? He shot like 15 % right?? I'm not even gonna do it.
 
Hayward is fine. I actually think he is better than last year. Give him the ball and he can create a shot against anyone, and usually makes good decisions. The ball is not falling for him right now because he seems to be pressing a bit. I think though that he could improve a bit on the release of his shot, get more fingertips into it, like Favors for instance.
 
PG_AB said:
Not in the Conference finals vs Lebron though... Do I need to post Haywards playoff stats from that series?? He shot like 15 % right?? I'm not even gonna do it.
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Go look at who Haywards team was then compared to Georges team v. the Cavs.

Hayward showed up hard last year and my point is that Hayward v. George is a legit debate. It's not a clear answer at all.
 
Remember also. I'm from NY - We're notoriously hyper-critical about the athletes here, many break from the pressure.. They deem players 'not ready for the big stage' quickly here.. It's also insane.


I genuinely wonder how Hayward would do with this kind of media coverage though.. they'd probably crown him and then try to kill him at every chance...
 
Stoked said:
Go look at who Haywards team was then compared to Georges team v. the Cavs.

Hayward showed up hard last year and my point is that Hayward v. George is a legit debate. It's not a clear answer at all.
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Hayward didn't show up to play, and George put the ****ing team on his back though. We're now talking apples and oranges..
 
PG_AB said:
Not in the Conference finals vs Lebron though... Do I need to post Haywards playoff stats from that series?? He shot like 15 % right?? I'm not even gonna do it.
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Wtf are you talking about? Hayward never played in a playoff series against Cleveland or LeBron. Yes, George, sure. You need to clarify this post. In any case, you can't compare early Hayward with current Hayward. He has improved tremendously since then.
 
Siro said:
Hayward has played like **** so far this season, and it's not just his scoring. But it isn't like he hasn't gone thru slumps before. He'll rebound soon enough. I'm excited to see the Jazz play this well without the typical performance from Hayward. That's very encouraging.
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PG_AB said:
I want to see him step up when the game is at a critical juncture, and take over.. Is that asking too much??
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No it's not, it's what superstars do, true difference makers. We're Jazz fans, it'd be stupid to think that we wouldn't want Hayward to succeed and turn into that consolidated superstar but he just doesn't quite get there. Which on the other hand is being balanced with good team work and playing good D. Again I'm seeing more things from Hood this year than from Hayward at the same point in their careers.
 
Slumps happen. He had bad stretches of games last year:

November 15-November 21: 12-33 (36.4%), 2-11 (18.2%) from 3, 12.3 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 3 APG, 2.3 TOPG

February 23-February 28: 20-63 (31.7%), 2-14 (14.3%) from 3, 16.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 6.3 TOPG

This season: 12-34 (35.3%), 3-8 (37.5%) from 3, 12.0 PPG. 3.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, 2.7 TOPG

There's no reason to be worried just yet. Especially how we have the 2nd largest Margin of Victory in the league so far and Hayward hasn't even played up to his standard yet.
 
More of an all around team game being played with a clear focus on Favors. I don't see that as regression, I see it as game planning by the coaching staff.

Utah is not and never will be a team like the Knicks where everything goes through a wannabe superstar like Carmello and then they wonder why they lost. The Jazz have always had a mentality of team first ball. Whether you score 4 points or 40 is irrelevant in our offensive approach of ball movement and easy baskets.
 
PG_AB said:
Hayward didn't show up to play, and George put the ****ing team on his back though. We're now talking apples and oranges..
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He absolutely showed up last year. Go look at his stats if you don't believe me. This whole convo was apples to oranges when you tried to compare the playoff elite (in the east) Pacers snd the lucky to be in the playoffs once Jazz. All I am saying is that Haywaard v. George is a legit argument. You don't believe so and that's fine. I do and you won't change that opinion.
 
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