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I haven't read this thread, but Hayward will never be a "slashing wing" of any color. He can't break guys down off the dribble which is what slashing wings do. He's a lot like AK. He drives opportunistically, he cuts well, and he's an exceptional passer. With the intangibles he brings, that's a good guy to have. But he's never going to be a scorer.
 
billyshelby said:
I haven't read this thread, but Hayward will never be a "slashing wing" of any color. He can't break guys down off the dribble which is what slashing wings do. He's a lot like AK. He drives opportunistically, he cuts well, and he's an exceptional passer. With the intangibles he brings, that's a good guy to have. But he's never going to be a scorer.
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Yep, good post.
 
billyshelby said:
I haven't read this thread, but Hayward will never be a "slashing wing" of any color. He can't break guys down off the dribble which is what slashing wings do. He's a lot like AK. He drives opportunistically, he cuts well, and he's an exceptional passer. With the intangibles he brings, that's a good guy to have. But he's never going to be a scorer.
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I haven't read this thread except for the last page, but I slightly disagree with your assessment billy.
IMO Hayward has shown he can get to the rim and finish not only in transition but in the halfcourt on side screen-roll - which is really becoming more of the trend in the NBA instead of a traditional 1-4 iso. He's versatile enough that on side screen-roll he can hit the pullup jumper but also go the distance and finish strong with his left hand. No, he's not a 1-on-1 scorer but in the flow of an offense, he's already demonstrated he can score in a variety of ways - including getting to the rim.

Don't forget one of the few bright spots in Game 1 against San Antonio (aside from Favors) was the way Hayward attacked the basket (12-12 from the FT line). Overall Hayward does alot of things well (he mainly needs to gain consistency on his jumper) - so there's no need to pigeon-hole his game as purely a "slasher" (whatever that really means). Scoring-wise he can hit the 3, he can hit the pull-up, and he can get on top of the basket. If he can do that consistently he'll become everything we hope he can be, but if more players on the Jazz focused on attacking the basket and getting to the FT line (*cough* Al Jefferson, *cough* CJ Miles) - the Jazz would've been a much better team.
 
vslice02 said:
I haven't read this thread except for the last page, but I slightly disagree with your assessment billy.
IMO Hayward has shown he can get to the rim and finish not only in transition but in the halfcourt on side screen-roll - which is really becoming more of the trend in the NBA instead of a traditional 1-4 iso. He's versatile enough that on side screen-roll he can hit the pullup jumper but also go the distance and finish strong with his left hand. No, he's not a 1-on-1 scorer but in the flow of an offense, he's already demonstrated he can score in a variety of ways - including getting to the rim.

Don't forget one of the few bright spots in Game 1 against San Antonio (aside from Favors) was the way Hayward attacked the basket (12-12 from the FT line). Overall Hayward does alot of things well (he mainly needs to gain consistency on his jumper) - so there's no need to pigeon-hole his game as purely a "slasher" (whatever that really means). Scoring-wise he can hit the 3, he can hit the pull-up, and he can get on top of the basket. If he can do that consistently he'll become everything we hope he can be, but if more players on the Jazz focused on attacking the basket and getting to the FT line (*cough* Al Jefferson, *cough* CJ Miles) - the Jazz would've been a much better team.
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My recollection of Game 1 was he got most of those FT's in transition. And my recollection of the season was he got most of his FT's in transition. He only got 4 FT's in the next 3 games of that series which also jibes with my recollection -- ie. if we're not running, he's not going to the line.

I'm also not convinced he's ever going to develop a jumpshot in the screen and roll (or PnR), because he hasn't really shown that. But that's definitely an area of his game that could show considerable improvement because he has the ability.

But to be a 'slasher' (and yeah, that's vague) he has to have an ability to break his man off the dribble. For the Harden's, Ginobili's, and Wade's, that's a staple of their offense. Hayward can't do that. So developing various plays off the dribble I buy. But Hayward ISO'ing his man is not something we'll ever see.
 
billyshelby said:
But to be a 'slasher' (and yeah, that's vague) he has to have an ability to break his man off the dribble. For the Harden's, Ginobili's, and Wade's, that's a staple of their offense. Hayward can't do that. So developing various plays off the dribble I buy. But Hayward ISO'ing his man is not something we'll ever see.
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Agree with alot of what you said. This may be just my opinion, but I think in this day & age in the NBA you can be a highly effective "slasher" without having the ability to take your man off the dribble in 1-on-1 situations. At this stage in his career most of Manu's drives begin with a side screen-roll, and most of Harden's drives in the halfcourt are facilitated with a high screen-roll where James can either go hard left or weave his way through the defense. Obviously that is night&day when compared to the drive game of a LeBron James or a Clyde Drexler, my personal thought is just is that if you can get on top of the basket off screen-roll - in today's game that's a very effective way of being a "slasher."
 
PKM said:
So curious .. a Jazz fan (apparently) with a Tark username, living in Turkey?????????????? I'm intrigued.
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hmm
there used to be a forum called Jazzhoops, where I first started using this nick.
I am a Turk
and a bball freak, especially collegiate bball.
Tark is an Armenian guy stemming from Anatolia, to whom we the Anatolian Turks should be genetically closest to.
I love him. seriously!
(Tarkan is a Turkish word BTW)
to add to the mix, I was a Turk and a Jazz fan with Tark's name as a nick, living in Europe back then!
:)
 
Tarkanian said:
hmm
there used to be a forum called Jazzhoops, where I first started using this nick.
I am a Turk
and a bball freak, especially collegiate bball.
Tark is an Armenian guy stemming from Anatolia, to whom we the Anatolian Turks should be genetically closest to.
I love him. seriously!
(Tarkan is a Turkish word BTW)
to add to the mix, I was a Turk and a Jazz fan with Tark's name as a nick, living in Europe back then!
:)
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Cool. I always liked Tarkanian .. and I don't like a whole lot of college coaches .. mostly whiny babies.
 
Tarkanian said:
hmm
there used to be a forum called Jazzhoops, where I first started using this nick.
I am a Turk
and a bball freak, especially collegiate bball.
Tark is an Armenian guy stemming from Anatolia, to whom we the Anatolian Turks should be genetically closest to.
I love him. seriously!
(Tarkan is a Turkish word BTW)
to add to the mix, I was a Turk and a Jazz fan with Tark's name as a nick, living in Europe back then!
:)
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Hey great nick man, a guy with basketball is always more cooler than a guy with a wolf or a mic, for me! And he was indeed a great coach, I don't know about college ball but my older bro knows a lot and he loves Tark the Shark a lot.

As for Hayward, he will be best at SF, although he's also usable at SG on many occasions, so it's good to have him and his consistent defense.
 
billyshelby said:
I haven't read this thread, but Hayward will never be a "slashing wing" of any color. He can't break guys down off the dribble which is what slashing wings do. He's a lot like AK. He drives opportunistically, he cuts well, and he's an exceptional passer. With the intangibles he brings, that's a good guy to have. But he's never going to be a scorer.
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While Hayward is certainly limited because of his first step/quickness when it comes to slashing and attacking the basket, your comparison to AK is ludicrous. Hayward has very good to great ball handling skills. Kirilenko was a spaz of epic proportions who caused the audience to mass-gasp every time he went to put the ball on the floor in iso/slashing situations.
 
vslice02 said:
I haven't read this thread except for the last page, but I slightly disagree with your assessment billy.
IMO Hayward has shown he can get to the rim and finish not only in transition but in the halfcourt on side screen-roll - which is really becoming more of the trend in the NBA instead of a traditional 1-4 iso. He's versatile enough that on side screen-roll he can hit the pullup jumper but also go the distance and finish strong with his left hand. No, he's not a 1-on-1 scorer but in the flow of an offense, he's already demonstrated he can score in a variety of ways - including getting to the rim.

Don't forget one of the few bright spots in Game 1 against San Antonio (aside from Favors) was the way Hayward attacked the basket (12-12 from the FT line). Overall Hayward does alot of things well (he mainly needs to gain consistency on his jumper) - so there's no need to pigeon-hole his game as purely a "slasher" (whatever that really means). Scoring-wise he can hit the 3, he can hit the pull-up, and he can get on top of the basket. If he can do that consistently he'll become everything we hope he can be, but if more players on the Jazz focused on attacking the basket and getting to the FT line (*cough* Al Jefferson, *cough* CJ Miles) - the Jazz would've been a much better team.
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I didnt read this post except the last couple of sentences.

Al does need to go to the free throw line more.
 
He FINALLY did it... Might be a start of something special I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpRUw7f7XUI&list=UUWJ2lWNubArHWmf3FIHbfcQ
 
Hayward is just too white and too baby faced to be a slashing athletic basketball player. Even in that nasty dunk video, there is clearly something off with the scene.

I think he was born to be a singer or something like that. Like you know, James Blunt kind of singer. You're beautiful, you're beautiful! Lol. Yep, that's something I can imagine Hayward befitting much better than being a slasher athletic wing.
 
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