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PKM said:
I feel much more comfortable with his passing becoming formidable than him ever becoming a shot-blocking type center. Solid-D, but not shot a big shot blocker ... which I think is overrated anyway.
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Watch it...you'll be banned for making too much sense. Jazz were actually one of the better shot-blocking teams last season (as opposed to prior years). I'm not a statistician, but if you scroll through the list, there just doesn't appear to be much correlation between blocked shots and winning percentage. Better to force a bad outside shot than constantly have your opponents shooting close to the rim where you might be lucky enough to get 3 blocks per game (with most of the rest very high percentage attempts for the opposing team).
 
GlassEater said:
Watch it...you'll be banned for making too much sense. Jazz were actually one of the better shot-blocking teams last season (as opposed to prior years). I'm not a statistician, but if you scroll through the list, there just doesn't appear to be much correlation between blocked shots and winning percentage. Better to force a bad outside shot than constantly have your opponents shooting close to the rim where you might be lucky enough to get 3 blocks per game (with most of the rest very high percentage attempts for the opposing team).
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Exactly. I feel the same way with steals. Gaudy steals numbers can be had by a guy that constanly overplays the passing lanes and giving up easy routes to the rim.
I think blocks and steals are two of the most overrated stats in basketball.
 
Some thoughts-

In the earlier games he looked lost but you can see the rust has been shaken off some.

I think he is looking very good, worthy of a third pick. He does have good quickness, he has a left hand at the rim, and a nice post game. He likes the same spot Karl used to work from- low left. He can learn to pass from that position easily I think. He makes space with his body and shoulders before he goes up around the basket in traffic. His frame is like Chris Webber's only bigger. He really digs in at that low left spot and appears the proverbial immovable object. He has nice moves when at the rim. He stays busy and seems to be involved in every play. Sets high screens but his teammates did not seem to know what to do with it.

He has plenty of size, as well as Derrick Favors, to play the 5 in this age where there is a dearth of quality at that position.
 
My opinion shouldn't mean too much but I just wanted to add I seem to remember reading or hearing an interview done in Turkey that mentioned playing high school here in the US and he could score but wanted to make sure to pass as well. Now that may not translate and he may never pass but that would tell me he has the mindset of someone who doesn't mind passing, it's just that with his national team nobody is really passing the ball all that much and add to that he is wanting to show he is worthy of the hype and pressing to score more then usual.

Also on his D, from all reports from the workouts and then now with his national team he seems to be a hard working, high energy/motor guy. Now that may not translate to good D but at least he seems that he'll put the effort in. I figure worst case is he may be a guy like Harp where you say don't confuse high activity for high productivity.
 
kanter is slightly more athletic than boozer, his max vert. is 4 inches over boozer's. he is also a bigger, tougher version of him with a higher motor to deal with. just look at their numbers in the draft combine:

kanter vs. boozer:

no step vert.: 26.0 / 26.5 (mcgee: 27.0, tyson chandler: 31.0)
max vert.: 32.5 / 28.5 (mcgee: 32.5, tyson chandler: 33.5)
lane agility: 11.30 / 10.77 (mcgee 12.75, tyson chandler: 12.13)
3/4 court sprint: 3.26 / 3.31 (mcgee 3.25, tyson chandler: 3.36)

you guys were calling chandler and mcgee as over-athletes. their athletic numbers are in the range of kanter's as you can see. but mcgee has a freakish standing reach of 9' 6 1/2'', his long arms set him appart and make him look more athletic as he is. chandler has similar standing reach to kanter's with 9' 2'' (kanter has a standing reach of 9' 1 1/2''), so it's fair to say that they are on the same level referring to athleticizm. bogut has similar athleticizm to compare... my conclusion is that enes kanter has a slightly above average athleticizm for a center and an average athleticizm for a power forward. he will be quicker that many centers and stronger than many power forwards: that's a matchup nightmare.
 
Those are nice stats/comparisons. However, I think Kanter's lack of springiness is what gives way to people calling him an average athlete. I know his vertical numbers, but he jus doesn't get off the ground and to his max height as quickly as some others. Know what I mean? That said, I still have no worries, I want him on the ground, where his strength is a mismatch for most ... once his feet leave the ground, his strength is greatly diminished and his ability to use above-average lateral quickness is gone. Unlike some on here, I am not in love with a shot-blocking, I simply want players that keep the other team from scoring easy baskets. I don't need highlight reels, give me toughness, good basketball IQ, chemistry, and championships.
 
Boozer seems to posses a lot more "smoothness" attacking the rim. Kanter looks more like Jefferson than Boozer offensively as of now.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Boozer seems to posses a lot more "smoothness" attacking the rim. Kanter looks more like Jefferson than Boozer offensively as of now.
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Agree with that completely. I see them as different players though. Boozer is more finesse and Kanter is more of a bull (likes contact). I really think they are very different players and, though many will not like this, I think the Al/Enes comparisons are more applicable .. only because Enes will play more physical than wth pizazz.

By the way, if someone else wrote the above, I would be shaking my head at some of it .. just too lazy to clarify. Bash away. ;)
 
One of the big knocks on Al is that he doesn't get to the line as much as he should. I think Kanter will get to the line a lot more frequently than Al does.
 
AKMVP said:
well and that Kanter's dunk is way less athletic then any of Boozer's dunks. What was the point? Plus it is of one foot not two feet and nobody is defending it.
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What is this fascination with defining someone's athletic ability on whether or not they jump off of two feet? First off, there are some pretty darn athletic players in the league who you will almost never see jumping off of two feet: Lebron, Wade, Josh Smith, that sprinter with no legs who keeps trying to get into the olympics with those weird looking prostetics, etc. And second, I've heard numerous basketball analysts that say those players who can only jump off of two feet are at a disadvantage. Griffin & Howard both primarily jump off of two feet, but both can jump off of one. Derrick Williams on the other hand looks to only jump off of two feet and that was a concern for people before the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter a ton, but I just wanted to squash the notion that two foot jumpers are more athletic than one foot jumpers.
 
margodydek said:
What is this fascination with defining someone's athletic ability on whether or not they jump off of two feet? First off, there are some pretty darn athletic players in the league who you will almost never see jumping off of two feet: Lebron, Wade, Josh Smith, that sprinter with no legs who keeps trying to get into the olympics with those weird looking prostetics, etc. And second, I've heard numerous basketball analysts that say those players who can only jump off of two feet are at a disadvantage. Griffin & Howard both primarily jump off of two feet, but both can jump off of one. Derrick Williams on the other hand looks to only jump off of two feet and that was a concern for people before the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter a ton, but I just wanted to squash the notion that two foot jumpers are more athletic than one foot jumpers.
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I chuckled at that. Get it? :cool:
 
margodydek said:
What is this fascination with defining someone's athletic ability on whether or not they jump off of two feet? First off, there are some pretty darn athletic players in the league who you will almost never see jumping off of two feet: Lebron, Wade, Josh Smith, that sprinter with no legs who keeps trying to get into the olympics with those weird looking prostetics, etc. And second, I've heard numerous basketball analysts that say those players who can only jump off of two feet are at a disadvantage. Griffin & Howard both primarily jump off of two feet, but both can jump off of one. Derrick Williams on the other hand looks to only jump off of two feet and that was a concern for people before the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter a ton, but I just wanted to squash the notion that two foot jumpers are more athletic than one foot jumpers.
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If you are a wing player, being able to jump off 1 foot puts you at a huge advantage. Williams was being knocked for being a 2 foot jumper because he wants to be a SF. Jumping off two feet isn't really an issue if you are big man, it may actually be better because typically big men don't have running starts to the basket, so being able to plant and explode more powerfully is handy.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
If you are a wing player, being able to jump off 1 foot puts you at a huge advantage. Williams was being knocked for being a 2 foot jumper because he wants to be a SF. Jumping off two feet isn't really an issue if you are big man, it may actually be better because typically big men don't have running starts to the basket, so being able to plant and explode more powerfully is handy.
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Agree 100%. 95% of the rebounding and shot blocking are done jumping of two feet. Thats why I ignore max verticals from big men jumping of one foot as it gives you no proper assessment of their value. No step vertical is most reliable here.
 
AKMVP said:
Agree 100%. 95% of the rebounding and shot blocking are done jumping of two feet. Thats why I ignore max verticals from big men jumping of one foot as it gives you no proper assessment of their value. No step vertical is most reliable here.
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Max Verticals during the combine (from what I can tell) can be done off either two or one foot. The player gets three steps to build momentum, then jumps. I would also assume most players vertical increase once they enter the NBA and go into more rigorous and high tech training methods.
 
AKMVP said:
Well, it needs to be seen if they are tough as hell as I certainly did not see much toughness so far. Please explain why would you think JV and Favors would be offensive nightmare?
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Because Favors basically doesnt have any offensive skills, he just scores using his athletism, but not post moves mid range shot while Kanter has those so he can create more space for Favors under the rim. JV doesnt have shooting ability, he has some post skills but he doesnt have a scorer instinct like Kanter. I dont need to be a magician to tell that JV- Favors is a weak pair on the offensive end, it is pretty obvious
 
sepanol said:
. JV doesnt have shooting ability, he has some post skills but he doesnt have a scorer instinct like Kanter. I dont need to be a magician to tell that JV- Favors is a weak pair on the offensive end, it is pretty obvious
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well, have you seen JV play recently? How come he scored 36pts in final U19world championship game without scorers instinct??? JV has very good shooting fundamentals BTW, better shooter from FT line then Kanter FYI, and makes over 60% of his jumpers. He is not taking many mid range or 3pt shots but it is because he likes to play close to the basket. But to say he has no shooting ability is nonsense.
 
AKMVP said:
well, have you seen JV play recently? How come he scored 36pts in final U19world championship game without scorers instinct??? JV has very good shooting fundamentals BTW, better shooter from FT line then Kanter FYI, and makes over 60% of his jumpers. He is not taking many mid range or 3pt shots but it is because he likes to play close to the basket. But to say he has no shooting ability is nonsense.
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i dont judge players looking at the stats. If you wanna look at the stats, Enes scored over 50 pts in many games when he played in prep school, but we cant take that into account right? Because he was already too much advanced comparing to other players, so do JV, he is already above that U19 level. We will see him better in euro basket, if he scores 36 against Gasol and Ibaka, then i will give you credit, but right now noone can convince me JV is better than Kanter offensively.
 
AKMVP said:
So athletic in your dictionary=explosive? Ok, that makes sense now.
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Yes, ability to explode is a huge part in functional athletic ability. Jumping high isn't that great if you can't get off the floor with urgency and quickness (why Boozer sucked on D). Kanter has shown a Boozer like lead foot on D at points, too early to tell.
 
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