Bad NBA Contracts for Assets Explained

[LoPo]

Quantify how much you fantasize about being in the front office, please.

I don't fantasize about being in the front office as much as try to make teams better. I could spend hours fixing issues teams have. With a trade idea like the ones I proposing now, I predicted the Deron to New Jersey trade almost exactly to the last stipulation at least 3 months before it happened. All the signs were there.

And of course I have other ideas that are just terrible in hindsight. However, they all come with purpose on all sides.

 

[Coach Ellis]

All 3 of those teams would love to dump those contracts if they could. That's the point.

And the Jazz would be dumber than **** to take on any of the contracts you listed without getting a SIGNIFICANT asset back. It’s not worth handicapping your team’s financial flexibility down the road just to get a mid-to-late draft pick back unless you’re into full in tank mode and asset accumulation yourself.

They’d be stupid to give up a really good asset to shed a contract (unless they get desperate) and the Jazz would be stupid to take back a middling asset if a team gets to that point.

Of the entire list that was presented, the ONLY contract that I’d take on without a (nearly guaranteed) top 10 pick coming back would be Bismack Biyombo - and taking it on would be one of the assets that would be part of a package from the Jazz to take on Aaron Gordon’s Bird Rights before next year. Nothing less than that, and I don’t see the Magic letting him go.

 

[LoPo]

I think Anderson and a couple firsts down the road from Houston is worth it.

I don't see a Washington trade that helps us.

I would take Asik if we got a 1st from New Orleans. His contract isn't crippling and gone before Mitchell or Gobert need a new deal.

I would take Biyombo if it got us Fournier and their first. We ain't getting Gordon. Now that's ridiculous.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Quantify how much you fantasize about being in the front office, please.

So in what movie did you hear that word used that made you think it was the epitome of coolness?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Anderson and a couple firsts down the road from Houston is worth it.

I don't see a Washington trade that helps us.

I would take Asik if we got a 1st from New Orleans. His contract isn't crippling and gone before Mitchell or Gobert need a new deal.

I would take Biyombo if it got us Fournier and their first. We ain't getting Gordon. Now that's ridiculous.

I'd do a Favs to Wash. for Gortat and a 1st rounder... they'd likely want to send Mahinmi instead. I'd try and do a Boston BRK deal if they wanted that... Favs for Ian 2018 1st, 2019 pick swap rights, 2020 pick unprotected. I think that'd be too steep for them though.

I don't think they would trade Oubre for cap relief... draft assets likely more appealing.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No way in the hell are the Jazz taking on Mahini. He would really hurt their ability to sign a max guy in 2019. That's probably the focal point of the Jazz's vision right now (that or get Jabari).

 

[infection]

No way in the hell are the Jazz taking on Mahini. He would really hurt their ability to sign a max guy in 2019. That's probably the focal point of the Jazz's vision right now (that or get Jabari).

How would we get Jabari?

 

[Miggs]

Yeah, Mozgov “can freaking play.” To the tune of 13 minutes a game this season because he’s so damn good.

 

[Archie Moses]

So in what movie did you hear that word used that made you think it was the epitome of coolness?

It's something I do and have done for my whole life. I like to visualize things and numbers help. (Maybe a lil cause I'm dyslexic and have ocd too.)

Would be a cool movie though. Would watch.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

No way in the hell are the Jazz taking on Mahini. He would really hurt their ability to sign a max guy in 2019. That's probably the focal point of the Jazz's vision right now (that or get Jabari).

He could be stretched in year 3 and his contract declines. It is an ugly *** contract, but the cap hit could be as low as $5M which would not hurt our ability to sign a max FA. Hood at 20M however would.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Here are the reasons why these teams want to dump the contracts:

Washington - they are $6 million over the luxury this year and way over for next year. They are not a team that can afford to be a repeat offender of going over the luxury tax. They don't want to trade Beal, Wall, or Porter. Mahinmi is the obvious casualty for an asset or two.

Houston - they have tried to move Anderson. Why? Because his contract hurts their chance to contend. They could stomach this year because they have Paul. They can't keep Anderson this summer and beyond because Capella, Paul and Ariza have to get retained. On top of that, they might need more talent to contend. They will use an asset to dump Anderson.

New Orleans - they traded a bit for Boogie and they want to keep him. To keep him and AD for that matter, they need to pay him AND put the team around AD. Asik is a massive roadblock to adding to Holiday, Boogie and AD. Asik has to go using an asset or NO loses a chance to build around an all NBA talent. NO is probably the least needy on this list, but they have a very tiny window with AD.

The situation isn't that rare. Yes, some teams can stomach a bad contract from time to time. However, these three teams can't if they want to get near their most important goals (avoiding repeater luxury, title contention, or keeping a roster together).

I have to disagree with the assumptions that you are making about Washington. Beal and Wall are untouchable but Porter is not. He is underperforming his contract. He has the potential to be the person that is moved because he is the highest paid player until walls extension kicks in. If washing could dump his contract for future assets they would consider them.

Mahinmi could easily be a stretch provision. Reducing his contract from 16 mill a year for the next 2 to 6.4 mill a year for the next 5 year. Moving Porter and stretching Mahinmi would save the wizards 36 million next year and drop them to under 90 million. Giving them over 15 million to spend and depending on the trade to move porter then could have even more.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

How about this - I'm not even a betting man, but I'll make some kind of avatar bet if I'm wrong. If Houston, Washington, Lakers or New Orleans don't do a salary dump deal before the deadline in February, I'll let you set my avatar for the rest of the season.

Who wants to bet?

That would be a stupid be because it is almost a forgone conclusion that the lakers are going to do a salary dump. They want James and George I just don't think that they are going to hive up Kuzma or Ingram

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

How would we get Jabari?

Milwaukee decides they don't want to pay Jabari a max this off-season so they want to get something for him now.

No idea if they want to do that though or if the Jazz would even be able to give them enough. But like Favors/Hood/1st round pick while taking back a guy like Teletovic (or basically any contract they want to get out of) as well. Probably/Maybe not enough, but I have no idea.

 

[LoPo]

I have to disagree with the assumptions that you are making about Washington. Beal and Wall are untouchable but Porter is not. He is underperforming his contract. He has the potential to be the person that is moved because he is the highest paid player until walls extension kicks in. If washing could dump his contract for future assets they would consider them.

Mahinmi could easily be a stretch provision. Reducing his contract from 16 mill a year for the next 2 to 6.4 mill a year for the next 5 year. Moving Porter and stretching Mahinmi would save the wizards 36 million next year and drop them to under 90 million. Giving them over 15 million to spend and depending on the trade to move porter then could have even more.

Very good points.

They could stretch Mahinmi, but they still have luxury issues for this year. Unless they want to dump a contributor towards their playoff chances (Morris), they need a Mahinmi deal.

As for Porter, I think he has an awful contract. But, if they could drop Mahinmi for an expiring and not have to stretch, they conceivably avoid luxury this year, re-sign Oubre in a couple years and maybe hit luxury once with a roster of Beal, Wall, Oubre and Porter as the core.

Washington intrigues me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I feel like Jabari is super overrated. I’m not sure he was worth the full max before all the injuries... add in all we would trade to get him and the injuries... I just dont get the infatuation.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I feel like Jabari is super overrated. I’m not sure he was worth the full max before all the injuries... add in all we would trade to get him and the injuries... I just dont get the infatuation.

Yep, there are lots of 21 year olds that put up an efficient 20 ppg that can make create for themselves.

 

[MilesDeep]

I feel like Jabari is super overrated. I’m not sure he was worth the full max before all the injuries... add in all we would trade to get him and the injuries... I just dont get the infatuation.

I agree! I actually think he could be great offensively, but doesnt really move the needle toward championship contention (because he sucks at D), and two torn ACL's in the same knee on normal basketball plays is not cause for optimism.

 

[infection]

I feel like Jabari is super overrated. I’m not sure he was worth the full max before all the injuries... add in all we would trade to get him and the injuries... I just dont get the infatuation.

I’ve soured on the idea. A huge beef aside from the injury stuff is putting a guy at PF who isn’t really a PF and can’t rebound.

Kevin Love I think is a more realistic option (sort of) that I think gets overlooked because of age. I think he’d make us a contender. Unfortunately, he’d be available if/when LeBron leaves and by that point we wouldn’t have appropriate salary to send back.

Another guy I’d like (and have mentioned too much) is Otto Porter, who I don’t think gets moved, but he’s on a much larger salary than what he’s producing (which I think we can absorb with Donovan on a rookie deal).

I’m honestly not seeing a lot of attainable guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yep, there are lots of 21 year olds that put up an efficient 20 ppg that can make create for themselves.

No doubt he was good but we are throwing all of these assets to get him at all cost... like the scoring is the whole story. He’s not good on defense and has had two major surgeries on his knee. If it was just the contract then cool but some want to give up all of our assets take on dead money and give a risky contract. He’s good but not that good.

The board just has a strange fascination with him.

 

[Ron Mexico]

No doubt he was good but we are throwing all of these assets to get him at all cost... like the scoring is the whole story. He’s not good on defense and has had two major surgeries on his knee. If it was just the contract then cool but some want to give up all of our assets take on dead money and give a risky contract. He’s good but not that good.

The board just has a strange fascination with him.

Yeah, I agree that they should not trade too much for him. I also think he is a huge risk, but I am okay with taking some risks if there is a good reward. I think Snyder would love a playmaking shot creating 4. He could be a great fit with Gobert if he can get healthy and reach some of his potential. Or even if he plays as well as he did last year would be huge on our team.

People are locked onto him here because he is a potential all-star level player that is maybe attainable due to the risk. All-star level players are hard to trade for. I am also sure that many have followed his career more than other players due to his religion.