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Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Cops do a very important and dangerous job. Some cops are bad. Some cops behave poorly in difficult situations. All cops suffer as a result of cops who make mistakes. They suffer even more when people throw out broad generalizations that claim they are the problem. We need good cops.
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I'm glad we people guns with a licence to kill who can't even handle traffic stops. I'm sure all his coworkers will vouch for him too.

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Joe Bagadonuts said:
Cops do a very important and dangerous job. Some cops are bad. Some cops behave poorly in difficult situations. All cops suffer as a result of cops who make mistakes. They suffer even more when people throw out broad generalizations that claim they are the problem. We need good cops.
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Cy does make a good point that the good cops should help to get rid of the bad ones.

It seems like whenever bad cops do bad things all the other presumably good cops stick up for those bad cops.
 
So far two videos of the Baton Rouge shooting have been released. Links to both videos are available here:

https://theadvocate.com/news/163289...lice-killing-of-alton-sterling-in-baton-rouge

In the Minnesota shooting death, the girlfriend of the individual killed live streamed the aftermath on Facebook. That video is available here:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shot-dead-minn-police-traffic-stop-article-1.2701935

Edit: clarification on the Minnesota shooting. For some reason the video above appears as a mirror image, making it look like the man is the passenger. That's not the case, he was in fact the driver.
 
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Wow.. that Minnesota shooting is also chilling...



Apparently the man got pulled over with his partner for a busted tail light, and while the man was getting out his ID from his pocket, the police thought he was pulling a gun on him, and shot him in the arm. Blood everywhere.



The man apparently died as her partner was filming the whole thing in his car.



Wow... just wow.
 
Rsce-relations makes it sound like the problem it's a two-way street.


Y'all, do NOT get it twisted. This is a manifestation of a race-ISM problem.

More evidence of how ppl perceive the black community. In Canada we have the same problem with the indigenous population.
 
dalamon said:
Rsce-relations makes it sound like the problem it's a two-way street.


Y'all, do NOT get it twisted. This is a manifestation of a race-ISM problem.

More evidence of how ppl perceive the black community. In Canada we have the same problem with the indigenous population.
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Also another case of police shooting thinking the victims were 'pulling out' the gun....



Which makes me wonder...



Is it good or bad if more and more people are carrying around guns? Does it make the police's job easier or harder? Does it make the police more or less paranoia? Does it make the street more or less dangerous? Would it lead to more or less of these killings?
 
ONE LOVE said:
Also another case of police shooting thinking the victims were 'pulling out' the gun....



Which makes me wonder...



Is it good or bad if more and more people are carrying around guns? Does it make the police's job easier or harder? Does it make the police more or less paranoia? Does it make the street more or less dangerous? Would it lead to more or less of these killings?
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Good questions.
 
dalamon said:
Rsce-relations makes it sound like the problem it's a two-way street.


Y'all, do NOT get it twisted. This is a manifestation of a race-ISM problem.

More evidence of how ppl perceive the black community. In Canada we have the same problem with the indigenous population.
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I agree that it's a race problem.
But I also think it's a cop problem.

Cops use way too much force against white people often too. I had a cop bust my head open against a brick wall all because I mooned someone. I didn't resist even a little bit.
I saw a video on the local news this morning of a white woman in handcuffs who spit at a police officer and he punched her in the face (kind of justified imo) then while she was down with a spit bag over her head (in handcuffs remember) the policeman kicked her in the head.

My best friend in high school had a cop kneeling on the back of his head and emptying a can of mace into his face. My friend talked **** to the cop and did resist him a bit. My friend was 17 at the time and weighed about 145 lbs. The cop was probably about 230 and the amount of force used was over the top and unnecessary.

Cops use way too much force way too often regardless of race. But I do agree that blacks are treated worse than the other races.
 
The problem is that cops aren't held accountable like they should for when an arrest becomes an assault, or worse.
 
Jamezz said:
The problem is that cops aren't held accountable like they should for when an arrest becomes an assault, or worse.
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I held the cop that busted my head and maced my buddy accountable.

I got even with him personally.
 
candrew said:
Yes NRA, clearly more guns is the answer.
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The problem is more complex than anyone wants to openly admit. They all want to point to the one thing that they hate the most and act like that's why.

Life is more messy than that and this problem is not as simple as having one cause or one solution. But I agree that more guns is not the answer.
 
fishonjazz said:
Cy does make a good point that the good cops should help to get rid of the bad ones.

It seems like whenever bad cops do bad things all the other presumably good cops stick up for those bad cops.
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I definitely agree with this. People often stick up for other people based simply on group identity when they really shouldn't. The cop who did this shooting did a serious disservice to cops in general, no matter whether anybody believes there was some sort of justification for pulling that trigger or not.
 
An inconvenient truth that we might be waking up to is when you look at the wealth distribution of this country...

Some scrub in the NBA this offseason will make in just one season more than all the cops and teachers in this nation combined.

When we pay teacher and police officers crap. Take away their pensions and benefits. Don't be surprised if you get people completely unable to do any other job.

Raise their pay so much that it actually attracts a higher quality candidate. Someone not so quick to the trigger.
 
The Thriller said:
An inconvenient truth that we might be waking up to is when you look at the wealth distribution of this country...

Some scrub in the NBA this offseason will make in just one season more than all the cops and teachers in this nation combined.

When we pay teacher and police officers crap. Take away their pensions and benefits. Don't be surprised if you get people completely unable to do any other job.

Raise their pay so much that it actually attracts a higher quality candidate. Someone not so quick to the trigger.
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That is not an inconvenient truth. That is an unreal stretching of the truth.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
That is not an inconvenient truth. That is an unreal stretching of the truth.
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I don't think so.

In my experience in public education, both the quality and quantity of candidates has dropped like a rock in just 10 years.

In Utah, teachers are actually paid proportionally less than in 2008. We spend less of a percentage of the state budget on public education than in the early 2000s when we were already spending at pathetic levels. In 2010, senator Dan Liljenquist gutted public pensions in this state hurting policemen and teachers the most. Prior to this, one could justify the terrible salary with the promise of a good pension at the end. Not anymore.

Utah currently has a major teacher shortage. Major. People are leaving the profession nor are many going into it anymore. Davis School District could literally hire every single education grad from every single university in Utah and still not cover all of their openings. That's just Davis school district.

Ive seen first hand the destruction of public education system here in Utah. One of my best friends is also a cop in Orem. He describes a similar situation.

Both these sectors have been gutted either through ridiculous legislation or tax cuts for business (at the expense of services like law enforcement and education). As a result, cops and teachers are overburdened, under compensated, and the people going into these fields or being retained are not quality candidates.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree that it's a race problem.
But I also think it's a cop problem.

Cops use way too much force against white people often too. I had a cop bust my head open against a brick wall all because I mooned someone. I didn't resist even a little bit.
I saw a video on the local news this morning of a white woman in handcuffs who spit at a police officer and he punched her in the face (kind of justified imo) then while she was down with a spit bag over her head (in handcuffs remember) the policeman kicked her in the head.

My best friend in high school had a cop kneeling on the back of his head and emptying a can of mace into his face. My friend talked **** to the cop and did resist him a bit. My friend was 17 at the time and weighed about 145 lbs. The cop was probably about 230 and the amount of force used was over the top and unnecessary.

Cops use way too much force way too often regardless of race. But I do agree that blacks are treated worse than the other races.
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Cops are bitches dude. They are usually power hungry. They enjoy using force, so even when the situation doesnt call for it, they want to use it.
 
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