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Bernie OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what rule did i break since my return. i accidentally posted it in wrong forum. sometimes it happens when you do multi-monitor browsing.

sorry for that. think i wanted to do that?


all i did for getting banned was saying socialism is *****

You didnt get banned for that. Check your email again.

When you constantly call us out, remember your tirade a year ago? You told us to **** off. Then you come back and troll us in your comments, and in your thread title.
that is unacceptable.

Being against socialism or even having extreme views is not bad, or looked down upon. We have plenty of people on all sides of the fence here. What we dont accept is people
trolling their opinions and beliefs. Do you not know how to talk in an acceptable manner? Dutch, my man, we used to talk and have some great conversations. About a year ago something changed. You got really political, and seem to be off the rails. I miss the old dutch. I really do.

You can say socialism/liberalism is ****. Thats not the problem here.
 
You didnt get banned for that. Check your email again.

When you constantly call us out, remember your tirade a year ago? You told us to **** off. Then you come back and troll us in your comments, and in your thread title.
that is unacceptable.

Being against socialism or even having extreme views is not bad, or looked down upon. We have plenty of people on all sides of the fence here. What we dont accept is people
trolling their opinions and beliefs. Do you not know how to talk in an acceptable manner? Dutch, my man, we used to talk and have some great conversations. About a year ago something changed. You got really political, and seem to be off the rails. I miss the old dutch. I really do.

You can say socialism/liberalism is ****. Thats not the problem here.

i did not just say socialism is ****. i explained why i say it was ****. and that capitalism was consensual. so why would someone prefer one over the other. no one debated me on that they just reported me! what has changed? don't know.


sorry for betraying you :P
 
I dont think I changed, I just think the world has become to triggered!


the world always seem to increasingly become more and more offended!


movies and tv shows that used to be alright, wouldn't fly in a world like today anymore!
 
I dont think I changed, I just think the world has become to triggered!


the world always seem to increasingly become more and more offended!


movies and tv shows that used to be alright, wouldn't fly in a world like today anymore!

yes we are living in a new world. there are always tough times throughout history. with new technology driving culture we are changing.
hopefully this adjustment ends peacefully, but i think we are headed for WW3. There is very little communication or compromise anymore.
We all just yell at each other.
 
i did not just say socialism is ****. i explained why i say it was ****. and that capitalism was consensual. so why would someone prefer one over the other. no one debated me on that they just reported me! what has changed? don't know.


sorry for betraying you :P

If you are just talking about why you dont believe in something or some belief system is wrong...that is ok.
that was not the reason you got banned.
 
You didnt get banned for that. Check your email again.

When you constantly call us out, remember your tirade a year ago? You told us to **** off. Then you come back and troll us in your comments, and in your thread title.
that is unacceptable.

Being against socialism or even having extreme views is not bad, or looked down upon. We have plenty of people on all sides of the fence here. What we dont accept is people
trolling their opinions and beliefs. Do you not know how to talk in an acceptable manner? Dutch, my man, we used to talk and have some great conversations. About a year ago something changed. You got really political, and seem to be off the rails. I miss the old dutch. I really do.

You can say socialism/liberalism is ****. Thats not the problem here.


it says excessive use of the rape analogy, and it pointed to a post about me talking about capitalism is forced altruism and socialism is wrong.
then proceed to compare it to *****. that's what i got or atleas understand. i self edited the post, but got banne dlike litterally right after


https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?44324-GOP-Debate-Threads&p=1146361&viewfull=1#post1146361 here is the post below yu can see the original one :D


but hey bygones be bygones. i am used to this vilification by now
 
yes we are living in a new world. there are always tough times throughout history. with new technology driving culture we are changing.
hopefully this adjustment ends peacefully, but i think we are headed for WW3. There is very little communication or compromise anymore.
We all just yell at each other.

yep people talking about pendelum swinging back. but they are using it in a wrong way. the pendulum does not swing from right wing to left wing.
it swings from total tyranny/big government. to a new freedom.
the good news once it swing and government collapses there will be growth.

for example it swung in germany! nazi germany was tyrannical and big government and it swung after the war germany had to basically start over with government. it became a juggernauth. it had amazing growth. but now more and more regulations and big government comes. and it will swing back. but i think it will swing in other places first.

sadly a war is comming but i cant stop it. becoming a prepper is advisable
 
Socialism?

Textbook and college prof "reality" has long been unhinged from the real world. That's why it's called "Ivory Towers" or "Ivy League".

Socialism does not actually exist. It's a fanciful imagination concept. Communism doesn't exist either, neither does "Capitalism". We load these ideological barges with all our crap and then dump it on real people like they're mushrooms thinking it will help somehow. We accept propaganda that flatters us with some meagre sort of self-validation, nationalism or other gratifying terminology, but the real impact is always force, always outta our own hands somehow.

We could argue about war coming from fundamental clashes of incompatible nations, and maybe design some kind of United Nations on the hope of controlling everything peacefully, but that kind of view is fundamentally false. Nobody who can control things is ever going to be "Just" except in their own imaginations. I believe we are being primed for a new kind of war, a war without borders, without any place of refuge, designed to force us to accept absolute authority from the very top and under terms of absolute powerlessness at the individual level. How can we believe Clinton enable Russia to control a huge portion of our uranium resources even while he was moving to reject arms controls and asserting regional dominance over supposedly independent neighbors? Clinton and Putin, peas in a pod. The question only is who will hold the UN levers of power, one tyrant or another. Trump is a real applecart up-ender simply because he's an outsider in those highest definitions of existing power, but he will have to make a place for himself somehow. He is an unknown, and he will give pause to the warmakers for a few years because he is not well-controlled, that's all. Clinton and Putin would have done their "bowery war" alright, and kept the Mideast in flames one hotspot at a time, with UN supervision every step of the way. Putin saw Clinton as a direct competitor who was easy to outfox. The US would have been a big loser, imo, throughout a Clinton presidency. The United States would have lost it's premiere place on the globe. That was the intent of Obama and Clinton, ideologically speaking. It was an OK result. The UN would have emerged as the uncontested relevant government. And, no it is not a "socialist" government, except rhetorically or propagandally speaking. It is fascist. It is a web of interconnected influential people, of various kinds of influence, with a preponderance for increasing their collective power and individual power, at our expense. In it's founding documents it recognizes no fundamental human rights if any such rights are in conflict with its own interests. Says so outright.

3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30.
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Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Dutch, why limit your concerns to one side of the struggle for power when we don't have any kind of government that is not force, and sometimes unwanted violent force.

The American Constitution was revolutionary, and has been attacked by every conceivable sort of power-seeking competitive mode of governance. It has been subjected to concerted ideological and sociological attack from every side. It was never all it could have been, and from the gitgo "interests" have successfully circumnavigated it's concept.

The one essential notion in the American Constitution is that power must be limited, controlled, counter-balanced, and hogtied if people can hope to have a say in what affects them.

It is in itself an assertion that there is no grand ideological or conceptual ideal available to mankind, and that mankind must take care to advance human liberties which always will be under attack from every angle by those who seek power.

If we don't want wars, we must limit the power available to the power seekers, everywhere. A real solution that might achieve world peace would necessarily impose limits, lots of limitations, on the notions of governance worldwide.

The UN has managed "bowery wars" since it's inception, it's promoters have been the warmakers for two centuries, it is the raw accumulation of power in its totality. As long at it exists on it's present principles, we will have carefully staged wars to advance one group of interests or another, whoever thinks they can win an inch of ground or a dollar. The only real solution is to minimize governmental power however we can.
 
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Let's compare two Republican presidents, shall we? Let's say...Reagan and Eisenhower.

Eisenhower
top marginal tax rate of 90% (oh GOD LORD JESUS NO!!! THE ECONOMY WILL CRASH!!!)
Reduced the deficient by 75%
GDP grew by 3%
Unemployment was 5.5%

Reagan, Jesus' anointed Republican, doer of all good and revitalizer of the US
Lower the top marginal tax rate to 28% (WOOHOO, this means that unemployment will be lower than Eisenhower, GDP will grow by more, and all problems will be solved!!! The rich will have money again!!!)
GDP growth was 3.4 (WHAT!?! The same as 90% taxer Eisenhower?!?)
Unemployment was 7.3% (HOLY GOOD LORD JESUS!!! The same as Obama and worse than Eisenhower?!?)
The deficit was 998 Billion when Reagan took over. He left a 2.9 TRILLION Dollar deficit when he left office.

It's safe to say the Reagan was an unmitigated disaster as president. And the Republican party he left behind has done little to no good for this country.

Thank god for Clinton and Obama.
 
Let's compare two Republican presidents, shall we? Let's say...Reagan and Eisenhower.

Eisenhower
top marginal tax rate of 90% (oh GOD LORD JESUS NO!!! THE ECONOMY WILL CRASH!!!)
Reduced the deficient by 75%
GDP grew by 3%
Unemployment was 5.5%

Reagan, Jesus' anointed Republican, doer of all good and revitalizer of the US
Lower the top marginal tax rate to 28% (WOOHOO, this means that unemployment will be lower than Eisenhower, GDP will grow by more, and all problems will be solved!!! The rich will have money again!!!)
GDP growth was 3.4 (WHAT!?! The same as 90% taxer Eisenhower?!?)
Unemployment was 7.3% (HOLY GOOD LORD JESUS!!! The same as Obama and worse than Eisenhower?!?)
The deficit was 998 Billion when Reagan took over. He left a 2.9 TRILLION Dollar deficit when he left office.

It's safe to say the Reagan was an unmitigated disaster as president. And the Republican party he left behind has done little to no good for this country.

Thank god for Clinton and Obama.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
 
Let's compare two Republican presidents, shall we? Let's say...Reagan and Eisenhower.

Eisenhower
top marginal tax rate of 90% (oh GOD LORD JESUS NO!!! THE ECONOMY WILL CRASH!!!)
Reduced the deficient by 75%
GDP grew by 3%
Unemployment was 5.5%

Reagan, Jesus' anointed Republican, doer of all good and revitalizer of the US
Lower the top marginal tax rate to 28% (WOOHOO, this means that unemployment will be lower than Eisenhower, GDP will grow by more, and all problems will be solved!!! The rich will have money again!!!)
GDP growth was 3.4 (WHAT!?! The same as 90% taxer Eisenhower?!?)
Unemployment was 7.3% (HOLY GOOD LORD JESUS!!! The same as Obama and worse than Eisenhower?!?)
The deficit was 998 Billion when Reagan took over. He left a 2.9 TRILLION Dollar deficit when he left office.

It's safe to say the Reagan was an unmitigated disaster as president. And the Republican party he left behind has done little to no good for this country.

Thank god for Clinton and Obama.

Eisenhower was a globalist. The growth he "oversaw" was the "baby boom", a very strong economic driver. Vets had some help buying homes, American industry ran at full steam. Eisenhower might have been trying to keep a lid on an exploding economy that woulda run twice the growth if he hadn't suppressed it with bad policy.

Reagan had to be a globalist of sorts, too. But his economic plan more or less copied JFK, who followed Eisenhower's doldrums with policies that really did prosper America, when other factors might have done a downturn on us. JFK in a few years did everything Trump intends to do for us now. And Trump is gonna use that economic model again. Will make historians resort to calling the last eight years the Dumbbummer Depression. yah yah, fake stats about jobs and growth and all, and useless ineffective spending via a vast overbloated uninspired bureaucratic swamp.

Absolutely nothing to show for all that Keynesian spending.
 
yep people talking about pendelum swinging back. but they are using it in a wrong way. the pendulum does not swing from right wing to left wing.
it swings from total tyranny/big government. to a new freedom.
the good news once it swing and government collapses there will be growth.

for example it swung in germany! nazi germany was tyrannical and big government and it swung after the war germany had to basically start over with government. it became a juggernauth. it had amazing growth. but now more and more regulations and big government comes. and it will swing back. but i think it will swing in other places first.

sadly a war is comming but i cant stop it. becoming a prepper is advisable

knocking down government is basically getting rid of your safety net. there is a vacuum that appears, and guess who will fill it? nice, perfect people, a utopia? NEIN. BIG business. and they my friend are far worse than the government. they care only about the dollar, and making more and more every year. who is going to regulate what they put in your food? who is going to run the military? police? hospitals? schools? businesses with no regulation? and that is what you desire?

I get that throwing the word FREEDOM around sounds sexy. We all want less control, and freedom to live right? Without the mean old man on our backs. But without structure?
You want money, and business to run everything with no regulation? The free markets will morally look out for our well being?
 
knocking down government is basically getting rid of your safety net. there is a vacuum that appears, and guess who will fill it? nice, perfect people, a utopia? NEIN. BIG business. and they my friend are far worse than the government. they care only about the dollar, and making more and more every year. who is going to regulate what they put in your food? who is going to run the military? police? hospitals? schools? businesses with no regulation? and that is what you desire?

I get that throwing the word FREEDOM around sounds sexy. We all want less control, and freedom to live right? Without the mean old man on our backs. But without structure?
You want money, and business to run everything with no regulation? The free markets will morally look out for our well being?

when the pendulum swings to liberty usually big business also tends to go down.

big business ebcomes bigger due to government.


if the tax code is 76000 pages big business can afford the best lawyers.

a small business has a lot more trouble with 76000 pages.


government grows business, because it kills small business which brings it full circle with small business owner concerns with bernie's socialist paradise.

ofcourse big business is a problem
 
knocking down government is basically getting rid of your safety net. there is a vacuum that appears, and guess who will fill it? nice, perfect people, a utopia? NEIN. BIG business. and they my friend are far worse than the government. they care only about the dollar, and making more and more every year. who is going to regulate what they put in your food? who is going to run the military? police? hospitals? schools? businesses with no regulation? and that is what you desire?

I get that throwing the word FREEDOM around sounds sexy. We all want less control, and freedom to live right? Without the mean old man on our backs. But without structure?
You want money, and business to run everything with no regulation? The free markets will morally look out for our well being?

also note 1776 was a swing from a tyranical big govenrment to a new liberty minded super small governemnt with a consittitution limiting its power. a government that lead to growth, that led to freeing of the slave. even though it was a federal government it was still small government. but then it grew again with jim crowe laws, prohibition etc with each neocon/rino and democratic president it grew and grew.

throughout history this has happened from "good to evil governments. from roman empira to ottoman empire. from nazi germany to britain losing the usa. it has always happened and will keep on happening
 
throughout history this has happened from "good to evil governments. from roman empira to ottoman empire. from nazi germany to britain losing the usa. it has always happened and will keep on happening

yes, this will continue. things will always go in circles, and nothing stays the same forever. there will continually be shifts.

i take t you like it when this process happens. is it a cleansing?
 
when the pendulum swings to liberty usually big business also tends to go down.

big business ebcomes bigger due to government.


if the tax code is 76000 pages big business can afford the best lawyers.

a small business has a lot more trouble with 76000 pages.


government grows business, because it kills small business which brings it full circle with small business owner concerns with bernie's socialist paradise.

ofcourse big business is a problem

bernies "socialist paradise" also includes equal rights for everyone, focusing on alternative energy, and education. it just shocks me how this cant mean a damn thing to you. all you see is a negative slant. listen to bernies speeches they were positive, respectful, hopeful. Trump talked about his penis size.
 
yes, this will continue. things will always go in circles, and nothing stays the same forever. there will continually be shifts.

i take t you like it when this process happens. is it a cleansing?

no do not like it! it is just a fact of live. and it astonishes me that we refuse to learn from history for whatever reason
 
bernies "socialist paradise" also includes equal rights for everyone, focusing on alternative energy, and education. it just shocks me how this cant mean a damn thing to you. all you see is a negative slant. listen to bernies speeches they were positive, respectful, hopeful. Trump talked about his penis size.

look to me man marrying a man is not about equal rights. the government should not meddle in a religious construct. and its ok if you disagree.
to me a marriage is a contract binding the man to the children he procreates from sex. so marriage will always be man and woman. but you define everything the way you want! and i keep to my definitions. i dont see where certain groups dont have equal rights. seriously i do not see people who do not have equal rights!

the alternative energy will come from the free market, not from big government

it's not the governments job to indoctrinate me and my offspring. ooph did i say indoctrinate i meant educate.




bernies speeches remind me of hitlers speeches they make me PUKE.
blaming everything on 1%(which in nazi Germany was the jews!) then promising how to "punish" the 1% and then taking **** from the 1% and give it to free healthcare free eductaion, free volkswagon, free am fm radio. and even enviromental regulations
they sound to me exactly the same. and it makes me die every-time inside that a jew is using the same **** hitler used.

but hey he has freedom of speech.
 
look to me man marrying a man is not about equal rights. the government should not meddle in a religious construct. and its ok if you disagree.
to me a marriage is a contract binding the man to the children he procreates from sex. so marriage will always be man and woman. but you define everything the way you want! and i keep to my definitions. i dont see where certain groups dont have equal rights. seriously i do not see people who do not have equal rights!

the alternative energy will come from the free market, not from big government

it's not the governments job to indoctrinate me and my offspring. ooph did i say indoctrinate i meant educate.




bernies speeches remind me of hitlers speeches they make me PUKE.
blaming everything on 1%(which in nazi Germany was the jews!) then promising how to "punish" the 1% and then taking **** from the 1% and give it to free healthcare free eductaion, free volkswagon, free am fm radio. and even enviromental regulations
they sound to me exactly the same. and it makes me die every-time inside that a jew is using the same **** hitler used.

but hey he has freedom of speech.

I agree the government should not meddle in religious constructs. That was the primary purpose of the establishment clause, to keep government from controlling religion, because that is one of the main things many in our country, and many of our founding fathers, were running from. But as soon as government places benefits on marriage status, such as the fact that "married filing joint" means you pay less taxes than "single" on your tax filing status, then it no longer is purely a religious construct. It has now become secular and part of everyday life and will affect everyone unequally. At that point either the tax code has to change or everyone who wants to be married, regardless of who they are marrying (or how many, which is another topic altogether, but related), needs to be allowed to be married. That is the point of equality. If there were no direct benefit to being married (inheritance, life insurance, taxes, medical benefits, all of these are affected by marital status) then government should just butt out of the marriage debate. But as long as our society places a premium on being single and benefits are given to married people that are not given to single people then we need equality in who is allowed to be married, and we need laws to protect this.

Now if the government would just pass laws to protect EVERYONE EQUALLY regardless of marital status then the debate could fall back into the religious sphere. But as long as the means exist to discriminate against single people who are not allowed to marry just because they choose to marry someone of the same gender then we need to change these laws and allow EVERYONE to marry whoever they want to.

It is really that simple. And because of the very obvious and real discriminatory benefits, it absolutely cannot be viewed as a pure religious matter anymore.
 
look to me man marrying a man is not about equal rights. the government should not meddle in a religious construct. and its ok if you disagree.
to me a marriage is a contract binding the man to the children he procreates from sex. so marriage will always be man and woman. but you define everything the way you want! and i keep to my definitions. i dont see where certain groups dont have equal rights. seriously i do not see people who do not have equal rights!

the alternative energy will come from the free market, not from big government

it's not the governments job to indoctrinate me and my offspring. ooph did i say indoctrinate i meant educate.




bernies speeches remind me of hitlers speeches they make me PUKE.
blaming everything on 1%(which in nazi Germany was the jews!) then promising how to "punish" the 1% and then taking **** from the 1% and give it to free healthcare free eductaion, free volkswagon, free am fm radio. and even enviromental regulations
they sound to me exactly the same. and it makes me die every-time inside that a jew is using the same **** hitler used.

but hey he has freedom of speech.

interesting to heat your takes, and also nice to see us chatting like we used to. i dont have a problem with people who see if completely differently than I do. i just want there to be mutual respect in those conversations.

i see a marriage as a legal binding between two people. there is also a person commitment to another human being. i would never try to get in the way of two consenting adults on their beliefs. i just dont care. its not my right to judge.

alternative energy needs to encouragement from government if that is the future, and it is. free markets dont care about the planet. that is why the middle man is there to regulate, and guide.

it is the governments job to protect us from a free market who will destroy natural resources. THAT IS IMPORTANT.
 
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