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Best Big Al trade

If you look at the spilts, Stuckey has averaged 36%, 36%, 23%, 41%, and 19% each month. Again not a terrible shooter, just inconsistent. Plus his 3PT% is increasing every year. I would take him over Harris anyday especially since he's only 26
 
utahjazz107 said:
We could always sign one or two shooters
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NOOOOOOO!. That is the attitude that the Jazz have had far too long: if you have "one or two shooters" you are fine. You are not. Guess what, if you have one defined shooter, say a Korver, on the court the other team can easily take him away. Look at the Spurs, do they have "one or two"? No, just about every guy they have can shoot. Not that they are all Ray Allan, but given an open look from the 3, they can knock it down. The Jazz need to stop picking up so many guys who cannot shoot. Need one big who can drop a 3 a and a bunch of smalls. You can live with maybe one or two smalls who can't if they bring sufficient value elsewhere.
 
A lot of trades ideas in this thread don't seem all that well thought out. Even the seeming best one, the Okafor trade, means the Jazz would have a worse player in 13-14 than Jefferson at about the same price instead of having no bad contract, killing a lot of the flexibility the Jazz would have next off season. And for what? Emeka Okafor?

The Martin trade is lateral, and doesn't change anything for the Jazz. They'd stay mediocre next year, and have the same cap space. It's a trade to make a trade.

Iggy is pretty far fetched. A better player than Okafor, so it's conceivable to waste the cap space in 13-14 on him. Doesn't compliment the Jazz well, since Iggy isn't great offensively, and the Jazz need a wing scoring option, and Jefferson is a worse fit in Philly.

I would think the best Al Jefferson trade is one where the Jazz would pick up rookie contracts and draft picks. That's what Minnesota traded him for, and I think Jefferson has a bit better value than what he did then. I believe Cleveland is the best option. They need a scoring big, have an athletic 4 to put him with, have the cap space to take him, and lots of draft picks. There's where the deal should be.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I would think the best Al Jefferson trade is one where the Jazz would pick up rookie contracts and draft picks. That's what Minnesota traded him for, and I think Jefferson has a bit better value than what he did then. I believe Cleveland is the best option. They need a scoring big, have an athletic 4 to put him with, have the cap space to take him, and lots of draft picks. There's where the deal should be.
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Since it's been your business lately to tell us how mediocre we are, you should know this has already been suggested.

Also, it's conceivable that the KMart deal isn't merely "lateral" since we cut the fat and add scoring at a position of need.
 
NAOS said:
Since it's been your business lately to tell us how mediocre we are, you should know this has already been suggested.

Also, it's conceivable that the KMart deal isn't merely "lateral" since we cut the fat and add scoring at a position of need.
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Cleveland trade that was proposed had the Jazz take on Varejao, who is owed around 13.5 million guaranteed after the 12-13 season. Jazz likely wouldn't cut Varejao and not pay him, given they don't like to pay players not to be on their roster, so it's likely they'd pay him near 20 million (Varejao has a trade kicker).

The idea that the Jazz can get the most value from a lottery team that needs scoring is a good one. Cleveland is the team with the assets.

And Kevin Martin is the inferior player to Jefferson and probably plays worse defense. Martin plays fewer games than Jefferson. New rules that eliminated some shooting fouls hurt his efficiency this year. I can't see how the Jazz with Martin would end up much different in the standings than with Jefferson.
 
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that's not the only CLE trade that has been sketched.

That's all.

(P.S. It was suggesting the exact same thing you are. Wild, eh?)
 
NAOS said:
that's not the only CLE trade that has been sketched.

That's all.

(P.S. It was suggesting the exact same thing you are. Wild, eh?)
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I guess it is wild that "A lot of" is interpreted as "all."

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I'm not finding the post with Cleveland for rookie contracts and draft picks. Please lead me to that post.
 
NAOS said:
well, you've been individuating yourself pretty fiercely lately, so I thought you'd find it interesting that your idea has already been suggested. I'm just an informant.
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You probably posted before my edit. I looked through this thread looking for "Cleveland" and trying to see something about draft picks and rookie contracts. All I saw was Varejao and a pick, which I described earlier. Please show me the post.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
You probably posted before my edit. I looked through this thread looking for "Cleveland" and trying to see something about draft picks and rookie contracts. All I saw was Varejao and a pick, which I described earlier. Please show me the post.
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it was in another thread. I can't remember where. Does it matter?

Anyway, even if that is at the top of the list, there is nothing wrong with conjuring plans B - Z.
 
NAOS said:
it was in another thread. I can't remember where. Does it matter?

Anyway, even if that is at the top of the list, there is nothing the matter with conjuring up plans B - Z.
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Oh. Might have been in another thread. I proposed it. Two weeks ago.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...-Big-Al-thread&p=310009&viewfull=1#post310009

And nothing wrong with other ideas, but what kind of idea is it if the proposed trade isn't even doable under the CBA? The Jazz also are obviously positioning themselves to have tons of cap space in the '13 off season. Why would the Jazz ruin that cap space for non impact players? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Oh. Might have been in another thread. I proposed it. Two weeks ago.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...-Big-Al-thread&p=310009&viewfull=1#post310009

And nothing wrong with other ideas, but what kind of idea is it if the proposed trade isn't even doable under the CBA? The Jazz also are obviously positioning themselves to have tons of cap space in the '13 off season. Why would the Jazz ruin that cap space for non impact players? Doesn't make sense to me.
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FYI, I completely agree re:2013

but since the pissing contest hasn't abated, I beat you by one day: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?10353-Another-Al-trade

I didn't think we could just get picks without taking back some money, so I threw Walton's expiring into the deal (without expecting him to suit up).

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Since we are proposing crazy trades for Pau, who we absolutely don't need (another soft big), here is my trade:

Big Sally and Burks for S&T for Deron. NJ gets a name player back and a player they can potentially build around. Utah gets a superstar that wants to play here. Instead of trading Al for a slightly better, slightly older, more expensive player, they get a superstar in a much needed position. The only problem with this is the Jazz are very, very thin at the wing position. But, it is worth it to get a superstar in his prime.....Now to convince Deron Utah is better than Portland or Dallas....
 
I think 28 other teams in the NBA right now are doing trade machines for Pau Gasol.

To the guy above me, would Deron want to come back to a place that booed his return?
 
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