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Beverley to Lakers for THT and Stanley Johnson

SteakNEggs said:
No people are mad because THT will more than likely leave next year. We are getting nothing out of the deal.

Do you guys really think if he flourishes he's staying in Utah lol? Have you not paid attention?
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For your first sentence: so we got a guy who is likely to leave next year for a player who was certain to leave next year.

For your second sentence: maybe he likes it here. Maybe he likes the coaching staff. Maybe he flourishes here and enjoys flourishing. Its happened before.


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Eh, a flawed deal - it happens. There is a small chance that it helps us long-term. There likely wasn't anything better and we likely committed to find Bev a place before camp
 
Down payment doesn’t make sense unless I’m missing something. There would be no reason to do this trade now versus later with WB included. I’d say that this trade happening makes the WB more unlikely than it was before. If the WB trade were to happen, why split it up into two trades? It makes it more difficult to execute a trade in two parts.

Maybe it wasn’t the best value, but I’m excited to watch THT nonetheless. I don’t think it’s impossible that he has a good year and wants to stay here long term.
 
TheStormofWar said:
And there it is.
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Sure... this situation is like every other situation and has no unique elements.... I'm a clueless simp.

ORRRRRRRRR - here are the unique elements

1- We are in the middle of a major rebuild and are very likely to make at least two more trades or one mega trade prior to the season starting. By all accounts this is not the roster we carry into camp per every Jazz media person.

2- The Lakers are surely trading Westbrook. The second biggest contract in the league iirc. Its been rumored all offseason and they just traded for his biggest NBA enemy. I'm sure the plan is to carry two combustible players into that locker room that truly hate each other.

3- Because of the sheer size of the Westbrook deal they have limited trade partners... essentially Indiana and Utah are the rumored teams that come up in multiple national circles as well as circles in LA and Utah.

4- They could have done the Indiana deal at any time. Indiana wanted two picks... LA said nah.

5- Lakers really want to have cap space and in fact now have close to max space for one Kyrie Irving. Who all of a sudden started playing nice with Brooklyn. Almost like he knows that **** is temporary and he has a future destination he likes.

6- One of the rumored teams has a bunch of players that fit important roles that also happen to have expiring contracts. They also aren't trying to be competitive and have no issue just waiving Westbrook. The other rumored team in the deal already has had reservations about paying a guy $40M to not play basketball... and has the most old fashioned owner in the league.

7- Lebron extends giving up his leverage in hopes the team sells off future stuff to make the current team better.

8- A bigger deal can't get done between Utah and LA yet because some of the players can't be aggregated in a trade.

9- Utah is also working on a bigger deal for their superstar and some of those aspects have to play out.

10- LA has registered interest in Bojan, Bev, Beasley as well as Cam Reddish (a guy they can't really match salary on unless there is a third team that can facilitate... wonder if there is a third team that has been rumored to be doing a trade with the Knicks?)

TLDR - Westbrook is getting traded. There is like a 80% chance he is going to Indiana or Utah. LA and Utah just agreed to a separate deal.. you can go ahead an assume they talked about a bigger deal as well.
 
KqWIN said:
Down payment doesn’t make sense unless I’m missing something. There would be no reason to do this trade now versus later with WB included. I’d say that this trade happening makes the WB more unlikely than it was before. If the WB trade were to happen, why split it up into two trades? It makes it more difficult to execute a trade in two parts.

Maybe it wasn’t the best value, but I’m excited to watch THT nonetheless. I don’t think it’s impossible that he has a good year and wants to stay here long term.
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I've explained it. You can believe it or not... Detroit and NY did something very similar this offseason... not sure why they didn't wrap it into one deal.

There is no difficulty to doing it separately at all. We have a bunch of ways to do it. Given Ainge's rep would you wait out other deals you like for one you like better with him and just take his word for it?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've explained it. You can believe it or not... Detroit and NY did something very similar this offseason... not sure why they didn't wrap it into one deal.

There is no difficulty to doing it separately at all. We have a bunch of ways to do it. Given Ainge's rep would you wait out other deals you like for one you like better with him and just take his word for it?
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I don't think LA does the deal unless they already had another deal for Westbrook in place. The most likely explanation for me is that they've agreed to a deal with Indiana. Since we had already been in discussions of THT and Bev, they decided just to do that deal on the side. If that's the case we probably hear about the Westbrook to Indiana deal somewhat soon.

If you are correct, which is plausible, we don't hear about the Westbrook deal until after the Donovan deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've explained it. You can believe it or not... Detroit and NY did something very similar this offseason... not sure why they didn't wrap it into one deal.

There is no difficulty to doing it separately at all. We have a bunch of ways to do it. Given Ainge's rep would you wait out other deals you like for one you like better with him and just take his word for it?
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Too each their own. I suppose it’s possible, but it doesn’t make any sense to me. The DET thing is different. Depending on who was available at 11, either team could have pulled out of it.

I am way less optimistic about a WB now. There are some deal iterations that are made more difficult by doing two trades, but it could just be the case that the teams have decided on the THT part and not the WB part yet. The down payment stuff is a pretty big reach imo.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I don't think LA does the deal unless they already had another deal for Westbrook in place. The most likely explanation for me is that they've agreed to a deal with Indiana. Since we had already been in discussions of THT and Bev, they decided just to do that deal on the side. If that's the case we probably hear about the Westbrook to Indiana deal somewhat soon.

If you are correct, which is plausible, we don't hear about the Westbrook deal until after the Donovan deal.
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It could be that the other deal also is a Jazz deal. They're sure on the Bev-THT portion, still deliberating on the WB portion. But I tend to agree that this trade makes it seem less likely a WB deal is happening with UTA.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I don't think LA does the deal unless they already had another deal for Westbrook in place. The most likely explanation for me is that they've agreed to a deal with Indiana. Since we had already been in discussions of THT and Bev, they decided just to do that deal on the side. If that's the case we probably hear about the Westbrook to Indiana deal somewhat soon.

If you are correct, which is plausible, we don't hear about the Westbrook deal until after the Donovan deal.
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KqWIN said:
Too each their own. I suppose it’s possible, but it doesn’t make any sense to me. The DET thing is different. Depending on who was available at 11, either team could have pulled out of it.
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The detroit deal was them taking Noel/AB (plus some pick stuff) and get the lotto pick. Later NY came back to them and dumped Kemba for like a second. One deal seemed like an overpay... the other was like an underpay. It felt like they said "hey we will do this deal but might need a favor with Kemba and a second later... lets do one part now and the other part later"

KqWIN said:
I am way less optimistic about a WB now. There are some deal iterations that are made more difficult by doing two trades, but it could just be the case that the teams have decided on the THT part and not the WB part yet. The down payment stuff is a pretty big reach imo.
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I'm fine reaching... I'm fine stretching here... this is the internet and its more fun that way. I'm ****ing Mulder who wants to be my Scully? THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!!

If they do the Indiana deal now they go from $34M in space to 15M in space and they might be able to dump Hield later... but would need picks most likely. They also still would have to find a home for THT. Indiana didn't have the expiring salary to do it.

Until the Westbrook trade happens I will stand on this corner. Maybe its a short stay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The detroit deal was them taking Noel/AB (plus some pick stuff) and get the lotto pick. Later NY came back to them and dumped Kemba for like a second. One deal seemed like an overpay... the other was like an underpay. It felt like they said "hey we will do this deal but might need a favor with Kemba and a second later... lets do one part now and the other part later"


I'm fine reaching... I'm fine stretching here... this is the internet and its more fun that way. I'm ****ing Mulder who wants to be my Scully? THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!!

If they do the Indiana deal now they go from $34M in space to 15M in space and they might be able to dump Hield later... but would need picks most likely. They also still would have to find a home for THT. Indiana didn't have the expiring salary to do it.

Until the Westbrook trade happens I will stand on this corner. Maybe its a short stay.
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Duren was traded for Kemba and it was agreed on draft day. A few days later Burks-Noel were traded for seconds. I don't think that trade happens if Duren is not there on the board, and there's a lot to work out in a short period of time. It's not a similar situation, and I'm not convinced the DET thing was a down payment situation either.

If the WB trade happens, I don't think it's because the Jazz did them a favor. I think it's because they are 100% sure about the THT part and less than 100% sure about the WB part. Why would you do the Lakers a favor and risk taking a worse deal when there is zero downside to waiting a week or two? Like what happens if you do the Lakers a favor and then they change their mind on paying you back for it? A WB trade is still possible, but this down payment stuff doesn't add up lol. I'm 99% sure the Jazz did the THT-Bev trade because they thought it was good and not because they're giving the Lakers a down payment.
 
KqWIN said:
Duren was traded for Kemba and it was agreed on draft day. A few days later Burks-Noel were traded for seconds. I don't think that trade happens if Duren is not there on the board, and there's a lot to work out in a short period of time. It's not a similar situation, and I'm not convinced the DET thing was a down payment situation either.

If the WB trade happens, I don't think it's because the Jazz did them a favor. I think it's because they are 100% sure about the THT part and less than 100% sure about the WB part. Why would you do the Lakers a favor and risk taking a worse deal when there is zero downside to waiting a week or two? Like what happens if you do the Lakers a favor and then they change their mind on paying you back for it? A WB trade is still possible, but this down payment stuff doesn't add up lol. I'm 99% sure the Jazz did the THT-Bev trade because they thought it was good and not because they're giving the Lakers a down payment.
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Because they might be on the verge of doing the Pacers trade. The Pacers got impatient this offseason and yolo'd an offer sheet to Ayton. Might have said they need an answer now and Lakers needed a good faith deposit to holdoff. We were fine with that deposit being non-refundable if they change their mind.

Why not clear all the salary at once. They might not have known for sure on Jalen... but it really seemed like Det/NY deal was "he we will do this deal now... give us the option to come back later if we need more space". It would have been really easy to project Duren being on the board. It wasn't a surprise.
 
Despite what HH is saying, this is not a down payment.

They are going to take the better Indiana deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Because they might be on the verge of doing the Pacers trade. The Pacers got impatient this offseason and yolo'd an offer sheet to Ayton. Might have said they need an answer now and Lakers needed a good faith deposit to holdoff. We were fine with that deposit being non-refundable if they change their mind.

Why not clear all the salary at once. They might not have known for sure on Jalen... but it really seemed like Det/NY deal was "he we will do this deal now... give us the option to come back later if we need more space". It would have been really easy to project Duren being on the board. It wasn't a surprise.
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So we do a trade now so the Lakers pinkie swear they won't do a trade with the Pacers...yet? OK haha.

I see no reason to believe the Duren deal was a down payment. Chances are it's the same thing, they were 100% sure on one part, but less than 100% sure on the other part. That can happen when the trade has to happen in minutes. IMO, it's way more logical to think that then this down payment nonsense. The question of "why not clear all the salary at once" applies both directions. If everything was all figured out, why would the Knicks agree to a down payment instead of doing it all at once? They only add the risk of DET changing their minds.
 
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