Biden Supreme Court Nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson

[LogGrad98]

The better question is: Have these studies changed your mind? I can see that before posting these links that you had been up-voting racist comments so I know where you stood before going to the work of finding these.

You're really leaning into @JazzGal being full-on racist? See this is the kind of tone deaf crap that kills your credibility. Yeah we all have biases but on this board I'd list JG among the least racist members we have.

 

[Gameface]

Finally someone using gaslighting correctly. I'm getting tired of people claiming gaslighting every time someone disagrees and argues with them.

Yeah, it's not just lying. It is an attempt to make another question their own grasp on reality.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is white is a biased assumption.

Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Asian is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Latino is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Black is a biased assumption, yet that is exactly what KBJ did. It is why her opinion is racist and so is everyone defending that way of thinking.

A black doctor has to meet the same criteria.

This is blatantly false and why Harvard lost their case. Applicants of African American ancestry with SAT scores of 1100, and Asian American students having SAT scores of 1380 if they were male or 1350 if they were female had roughly the same odds of being accepted. The criteria was not the same. Harvard was racially discriminating against Asian Americans. It isn't just Harvard. The phenomenon is referred to as the "Asian Tax"

The fact that I see the systemic racism in our institutions does not make me a racist. It's sad you can't see that.

There is systemic racism in our institutions and the SCOTUS decision in SFFA v. Harvard was an attempt to unwind a tiny piece. Recognition of systemic racism isn't what makes you a racist, but cheering it when your own sources show that it is hurting all women and especially Black women isn't a good look. It's sad you can't see that.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah, it's not just lying. It is an attempt to make another question their own grasp on reality.

I have a cousin who I was really close to commit suicide because she had a piece of **** ex gaslighting her until she felt she had no other option than to end it. It's one reason for the hiatus from jazz fanz I took for a year or so a few years back. I hate the way it's become just the easy way out of an argument or disagreement and it greatly diminishes the real damage it does.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What is your explanation for the statistically demonstrated fact of white doctors treating black patients worse than white doctors treating white patients and worse than black doctors treating black patients

You've statistically demonstrated no such thing. What has been statistically demonstrated is that as affirmative action has become more widespread that outcomes for mothers have become worse.

You have misstated my point, and I would not try to defend the mistaken understanding you have presented.

Wha??? Shocking! I didn't see that coming. It is craziness that no one could have predicted that you'd decide it wasn't worth your bother to prove your racial supremacist narrative of skin color being what makes a doctor good or bad.

 

[Miggs]

Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Asian is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Latino is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Black is a biased assumption, yet that is exactly what KBJ did. It is why her opinion is racist and so is everyone defending that way of thinking.



This is blatantly false and why Harvard lost their case. Applicants of African American ancestry with SAT scores of 1100, and Asian American students having SAT scores of 1380 if they were male or 1350 if they were female had roughly the same odds of being accepted. The criteria was not the same. Harvard was racially discriminating against Asian Americans.



There is systemic racism in our institutions and the SCOTUS decision in SFFA v. Harvard was an attempt to unwind a tiny piece. Recognition of systemic racism isn't what makes you a racist, but cheering it when your own sources show that it is hurting all women and especially Black women isn't a good look. It's sad you can't see that.

Who the hell is getting into Harvard with those SAT scores?

 

[Miggs]

Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Asian is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Latino is a biased assumption.
Assuming a doctor is better because he/she is Black is a biased assumption, yet that is exactly what KBJ did. It is why her opinion is racist and so is everyone defending that way of thinking.



This is blatantly false and why Harvard lost their case. Applicants of African American ancestry with SAT scores of 1100, and Asian American students having SAT scores of 1380 if they were male or 1350 if they were female had roughly the same odds of being accepted. The criteria was not the same. Harvard was racially discriminating against Asian Americans. It isn't just Harvard. The phenomenon is referred to as the "Asian Tax"



There is systemic racism in our institutions and the SCOTUS decision in SFFA v. Harvard was an attempt to unwind a tiny piece. Recognition of systemic racism isn't what makes you a racist, but cheering it when your own sources show that it is hurting all women and especially Black women isn't a good look. It's sad you can't see that.

Uh, was the ruling about Harvard undergrad or getting into Harvard Medical School?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Uh, was the ruling about Harvard undergrad or getting into Harvard Medical School?

Harvard undergrad, but the so-called "Asian Tax" applies to medical schools, law schools, and nearly everywhere racial affirmative action is implemented.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

See this is the kind of tone deaf crap that kills your credibility. Yeah we all have biases

It kills my credibility to voice opinions that readers don’t want to be true. It is easier for a reader to block or dismiss what I say by claiming I am not credible and so that is what they do rather than confront their own ideas that may not be as factually grounded as they’d like to believe.

I think people are so wrapped up in their biases that they can’t even see the real question; is society better for implementing affirmative action? It is a good question with solid arguments that can be made on either side but that affirmative action improves medical care isn’t one of them. Clearly it does not benefit the product to screen out higher achieving candidates to make room for lower achieving ones.

The benefit of affirmative action is that it breaks stereotypes. Doctors are men and women of all ethnicities. Society sees with their own eyes that anyone can become a doctor if they work hard enough. Kids aren’t pigeonholed by their ethnicity or gender. That is a great and noble thing but it isn’t free. There is a cost, and that cost to society is collectively worse healthcare in the immediate term.

Is the benefit to society worth the cost to society? Maybe. Are we well enough on our way now that we don’t all automatically picture a white male when someone says “doctor”? Maybe. Do we have more work to do to break the stereotype? Maybe. These are questions worth asking, but exclaiming that Blacks being best served by sticking to their own kind is a scientific fact, or the bias inherent with European skin colors is causing those doctors to kill Black babies is disgusting and it isn't true.

Here in this thread on JazzFanz, I’m seeing a lot of people going straight to the truly ugly racially bigoted exclamations. A lot of people who have posted in this thread should be looking in the mirror and asking some uncomfortable questions about themselves, but I know they won’t. It will be easier to dismiss what I’m saying as not credible and so that is what they will do.

 

[Miggs]

Can someone point me to the research that shows that white doctors kill more black babies than do black doctors?

 

[gandalfe]

Can someone point me to the research that shows that white doctors kill more black babies than do black doctors?

I posted this up above:

For anyone having troubles finding the information: https://bfy.tw/UH7c

 

[LogGrad98]

I posted this up above:

That takes me to some kind of image search page with the words in the search bar. Goes nowhere after that.

 

[LogGrad98]

It kills my credibility to voice opinions that readers don’t want to be true. It is easier for a reader to block or dismiss what I say by claiming I am not credible and so that is what they do rather than confront their own ideas that may not be as factually grounded as they’d like to believe.

I think people are so wrapped up in their biases that they can’t even see the real question; is society better for implementing affirmative action? It is a good question with solid arguments that can be made on either side but that affirmative action improves medical care isn’t one of them. Clearly it does not benefit the product to screen out higher achieving candidates to make room for lower achieving ones.

The benefit of affirmative action is that it breaks stereotypes. Doctors are men and women of all ethnicities. Society sees with their own eyes that anyone can become a doctor if they work hard enough. Kids aren’t pigeonholed by their ethnicity or gender. That is a great and noble thing but it isn’t free. There is a cost, and that cost to society is collectively worse healthcare in the immediate term.

Is the benefit to society worth the cost to society? Maybe. Are we well enough on our way now that we don’t all automatically picture a white male when someone says “doctor”? Maybe. Do we have more work to do to break the stereotype? Maybe. These are questions worth asking, but exclaiming that Blacks being best served by sticking to their own kind is a scientific fact, or the bias inherent with European skin colors is causing those doctors to kill Black babies is disgusting and it isn't true.

Here in this thread on JazzFanz, I’m seeing a lot of people going straight to the truly ugly racially bigoted exclamations. A lot of people who have posted in this thread should be looking in the mirror and asking some uncomfortable questions about themselves, but I know they won’t. It will be easier to dismiss what I’m saying as not credible and so that is what they will do.

As usual you deflect rather than address the actual quote, conveniently cutting it off so you can avoid context. Care to address this part? Here I took a screen shot and highlighted the relevant part so you can't ignore it to create yet another straw man argument.



So as you can see if you are even moderately intellectually honest and have some basic reading comprehension, I wasn't addressing affirmative action. I was addressing your comments stating that JG is a known racist. Care to weasel out of that one?

 

[Miggs]

I posted this up above:

This link doesn’t work.

 

[Miggs]

Implicit Bias and Racial Disparities in Health Care

Health care providers’ implicit biases may help explain racial disparities in health. We ought to take this possibility seriously, and we should not lose sight of structural causes of poor health care outcomes for racial minorities.

www.americanbar.org

Here’s a good article Al-O-Meter

 

[gandalfe]

That takes me to some kind of image search page with the words in the search bar. Goes nowhere after that.

Exactly.

 

[SteakNEggs]

Democrats always crying about race and being divisive as they genocide millions in the womb. They always have to make black people the victim to keep them enslaved instead of empowering them as equals. They are no different than their grandparents, they have just learned to disguise their plantation thought. The lady that can't even identify what a woman is because shes "not a bioligist" suddenly is an economist and an expert in health care. She's no mathematician either obviously.

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed this week, Ted Frank, a senior attorney at Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute, responded directly to Jackson's claim, lambasting the justice for making a mathematical error

"A moment's thought should be enough to realize that this claim is wildly implausible," wrote Frank, who filed an amicus brief in support of Students for Fair Admissions. "Imagine if 40% of black newborns died — thousands of dead infants every week. But even so, that's a 60% survival rate, which is mathematically impossible to double. And the actual survival rate is over 99%. How could Justice Jackson make such an innumerate mistake?"

Opinion | Justice Jackson’s Incredible Statistic

Her dissent from the ruling on affirmative action makes an obviously implausible claim.

www.wsj.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Here’s a good article Al-O-Meter

Is it? Your article makes no reference at all to the ethnicity of doctors. JazzGal's articles were about the treatment of patients. Red referred to the treatment of patients. The question you asked above was "Can someone point me to the research that shows that white doctors kill more black babies than do black doctors?" That is the correct question, and I don't mean because it asked about babies but because it asks about the ethnicity of doctors.

Nearly every study focuses on the ethnicity of the patient while staying curiously mute on the ethnicity of the doctor. The healthcare providers are referred to as a vague collective or system that results in quantifiable racially disparate outcomes for patients. In your linked article they were Implicit Association Test takers of undocumented ethnicity.

If you want to argue that our medial system is institutionally racist, then fine. I won't argue against it. If you want to argue that Black women are more likely to die in child birth, I won't argue against it. If you want to point out the higher mortality of Black babies, again I won't argue against it. Where it all goes off the rails is when racists make the evidence-free leap to claiming these disparate outcomes from doctors of unknown ethnicity is proof that Blacks being best served by sticking to their own kind is a scientific fact, or the bias inherent with European skin colors is causing those doctors to kill Black babies. It is when those claims are made that I want to see your homework and that is a thing not addressed at all in your linked article.

 

[Miggs]

Is it? Your article makes no reference at all to the ethnicity of doctors. JazzGal's articles were about the treatment of patients. Red referred to the treatment of patients. The question you asked above was "Can someone point me to the research that shows that white doctors kill more black babies than do black doctors?" That is the correct question, and I don't mean because it asked about babies but because it asks about the ethnicity of doctors.

Nearly every study focuses on the ethnicity of the patient while staying curiously mute on the ethnicity of the doctor. The healthcare providers are referred to as a vague collective or system that results in quantifiable racially disparate outcomes for patients. In your linked article they were Implicit Association Test takers of undocumented ethnicity.

If you want to argue that our medial system is institutionally racist, then fine. I won't argue against it. If you want to argue that Black women are more likely to die in child birth, I won't argue against it. If you want to point out the higher mortality of Black babies, again I won't argue against it. Where it all goes off the rails is when racists make the evidence-free leap to claiming these disparate outcomes from doctors of unknown ethnicity is proof that Blacks being best served by sticking to their own kind is a scientific fact, or the bias inherent with European skin colors is causing those doctors to kill Black babies. It is when those claims are made that I want to see your homework and that is a thing not addressed at all in your linked article.

Sorry, good point.

 

[One Brow]

You've statistically demonstrated no such thing.

No, I'm not a researcher, I'm a code monkey. Researchers have demonstrated this.

What has been statistically demonstrated is that as affirmative action has become more widespread that outcomes for mothers have become worse.

So? Sales of ice cream were strongly correlated with new cases of polio before the Salk vaccine.

It is craziness

Craziness would be you making an honest attempt to understand the topic. Go ahead, be crazy.