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Wrong. Al is a net negative player his whole career. That means every team to date statistically improved with him off the court rather than on. At some point, you have to blame the player rather than make excuses about a new system, coach, or what not. Al stalls the offense when he gets the ball, and is pretty hapless on the defensive end as a center. The good news is he is still young and can reinvent himself like Zach Randolph did. Coming into camp in shape would be a good start.

Great post.
 
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The Water is very Muddy when it comes to PF's and C's in this league because guys rotate between positions so much.
I'm not seeing much mud here. Last season, Duncan played 100% of his time at C; Nowitzki played all but 1% of his time at PF. Noah? <10% of his time at C. Howard? 100% center. OK--maybe you have a point with Pau Gasol; about 70% at C last year.

But BIG AL is a Center because of his ability to play in the low post and his size.
That sounds more like a PF, especially with the lack of mention of defense.

Until someone on our entire roster shows the ability to score and defend, he is the best we got!!
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Wrong. Al is a net negative player his whole career. That means every team to date statistically improved with him off the court rather than on. At some point, you have to blame the player rather than make excuses about a new system, coach, or what not. Al stalls the offense when he gets the ball, and is pretty hapless on the defensive end as a center. The good news is he is still young and can reinvent himself like Zach Randolph did. Coming into camp in shape would be a good start.

Good points. I remember when Memo first came to the Jazz. He was huffing and puffing after 8-10 mins. of PT his first season. And then the next year he came back much fitter. Hopefully Al realizes he needs to get in a lot better shape. I don't think Ty will favor the veterans over the youngsters. Corbin seems to be better than Sloan in that regard, talking about competition at every position. And in the absence of Jerry (and Larry), I think there is less allegiance to players by the FO than in previous seasons. What is encouraging - and I hope it lasts through the strike - is the young players on the Jazz are reportedly working hard. Let's see if that's still the case next summer if the lockout has cancelled an entire season.
 
Not talking about everyone who responded to this threat- But there are so many haters in the Utah Jazz fan community. Looking at other teams threads, they dont hate 80% of their team. The majority hate Al Jefferson on this thread. They can make all the excuses that they want, but I bet you if the Jazz had a roster of 12 white guys, this site would be full of love. Im not saying everyone that dislikes a black guy on our team is a racist; but its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah. (Besides AK)
 
Has it ever occurred to all the Big Al haters and all those who say Big Al's conditioning sucks that Al hasn't been able to work out like this because this is the first offseason since his knee surgery of where he could fully work out and push his body? Which is great for the Jazz because we took that chance by trading for him and Al didn't get injured this season so the knee finally fully healed and now he can finally work out and push his body more then he could ever before in working out.
 
Has it ever occurred to all the Big Al haters and all those who say Big Al's conditioning sucks that Al hasn't been able to work out like this because this is the first offseason since his knee surgery of where he could fully work out and push his body?
He's been a fat *** his whole career though.
 
Has it ever occurred to all the Big Al haters and all those who say Big Al's conditioning sucks that Al hasn't been able to work out like this because this is the first offseason since his knee surgery of where he could fully work out and push his body? Which is great for the Jazz because we took that chance by trading for him and Al didn't get injured this season so the knee finally fully healed and now he can finally work out and push his body more then he could ever before in working out.

First off there are no haters, just realists. Second, his weak knees are no excuse for his arms looking like gelatin cubes.
 
Not talking about everyone who responded to this threat- But there are so many haters in the Utah Jazz fan community. Looking at other teams threads, they dont hate 80% of their team. The majority hate Al Jefferson on this thread. They can make all the excuses that they want, but I bet you if the Jazz had a roster of 12 white guys, this site would be full of love. Im not saying everyone that dislikes a black guy on our team is a racist; but its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah. (Besides AK)

So you are saying that Utah jazz fans show hate at a drastically higher frequency compared to fans of other teams.

Your solution for this is that Utah fans increase their frequency of displaying hate, and to focus particularly on showing more hate for the white players.

I do not approve your plan.
 
So you are saying that Utah jazz fans show hate at a drastically higher frequency compared to fans of other teams.

Your solution for this is that Utah fans increase their frequency of displaying hate, and to focus particularly on showing more hate for the white players.

I do not approve your plan.

That is the weirdest assumption I have read in a while. Maybe the solution was to show more love to AJ and others the Jazz Fanz "hate on", not to show more hate. In fact, that is the stupidest assumption I can think of since he was obviously talking about hating being a bad thing why would you assume he wanted you to hate MORE?


For the record, I like AJ and I think he can be a solid player on a contending team. Yeah he has been on some really crappy teams, ours last year included. But correlation does not prove causation. One great player cannot make up for 11 other mediocre/crappy players by himself. Just ask Jordan in the late 80's and KG in Minnesota all those years. Give AJ another solid year to work with this team and I think good things will happen.
 
Not talking about everyone who responded to this threat- But there are so many haters in the Utah Jazz fan community. Looking at other teams threads, they dont hate 80% of their team. The majority hate Al Jefferson on this thread. They can make all the excuses that they want, but I bet you if the Jazz had a roster of 12 white guys, this site would be full of love. Im not saying everyone that dislikes a black guy on our team is a racist; but its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah. (Besides AK)
It's such a lazy and irresponsible thing of so many people to throw around the race card this way. Your qualifier is so lame (suggesting that AK is some sort of exception to a rule, but you so conveniently forget the opinions on Harpring, the comments on Hayward before he started to develop, the well deserved love for Millsap, the love for DWill when he was a member of our team, etc. I'm not saying there aren't individual fans who are racist, but directed toward this group as a whole your comment is flat out stupid.
 
Not talking about everyone who responded to this threat- But there are so many haters in the Utah Jazz fan community. Looking at other teams threads, they dont hate 80% of their team. The majority hate Al Jefferson on this thread. They can make all the excuses that they want, but I bet you if the Jazz had a roster of 12 white guys, this site would be full of love. Im not saying everyone that dislikes a black guy on our team is a racist; but its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah. (Besides AK)

Log read his post. he wants us to hate white players more. He is offended that Jazz fanz like their white players.
 
That is the weirdest assumption I have read in a while. Maybe the solution was to show more love to AJ and others the Jazz Fanz "hate on", not to show more hate. In fact, that is the stupidest assumption I can think of since he was obviously talking about hating being a bad thing why would you assume he wanted you to hate MORE?
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No Log, you are stupid for saying my post was stupid. Read his post. He resents that Jazzfans don't hate their white players as much as their black players.

This is what he said: "its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah" . In the context of his post, it is clear that he resents that white players are not hated as much as black players.

In addition, he is stupid, because it is clear that white players are hated more than black players on Jazzfans. however, he only sees the hate for black players and discounts the hate for white players. From Crotty to Keefe to Foster to Ostertag to Kirilenko to Fesenko, etc., it is politically correct for Jazzfanz to hate their white players more than black players. We've got one white player who actually, finally, got a little playing time at the end of last season. Despite getting plenty of hate on Jazzfanz all year, it turned out that he played well when he got a chance. He still got less love and more hate than the comparable young good rising star on the team who happened to be black, but clearly this poster resents any praise of the one white player on the team who doesn't get as much hate anymore as he used to.
 
Just for the record, there are some players who i think are overrated by Jazzfans, and there are some players I think are underrated and overhated by Jazzfans. mY opinions cross color lines. I think lakerslapper is the one whose views are colored by prejudice, not me.
 
I agree with that ^^^^ by the way. I think it's fine to be specifically critical, but to call a player a fat ***, loser, or whatever. To say a guy needs to hustle, practice his free throw shooting, etc, is all within bounds ... while name calling is not. jmho
 
I can definitely attest to my Big Al skepticism as being primarily driven by my foaming at the mouth racism.
 
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