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Duck Rodgers said:
Both. Continuing negotiations with the MWC are the likely reason that nothing has been announced yet, but BYU is said to be standing firm on every concession they want so they don't appear to be hesitant to go Independent when they clock strikes 12 if they don't get what they want. Who knows how much of that is just a tactic. Maybe the MWC will call them on it.

It would be nice if the fairy tale scenario of Notre Dame/BYU to the Big 12 were announced right now - that would be a perfect **** you to the MWC commish, but maybe more probable a few years down the road. I still think the Super Conferences that the Pac 10 was trying to pull off are the future of college football though.

In other news, BYU is going to use a two quarterback system this year. Ugh.....

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There is zero chance Notre Dame joins the Big 12. If they join any conference, it would either be the Big 10 (likely) or the Big East.

I still think BYU has to agree to play on Sundays before the Big 12 would take them too. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
SaltyDawg said:
There is zero chance Notre Dame joins the Big 12. If they join any conference, it would either be the Big 10 (likely) or the Big East.
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I think the Big 12's advantage would simply be that they would allow ND to remain on their own TV deal, whereas the Big 10 wouldn't. But like I said, I'm with you, I don't think Notre Dame will ever join a conference until those super conferences really start forming. I think BYU is actually trying to hump some legs right now so they don't get left out when those eventually come to pass.
 
SaltyDawg said:
There is zero chance Notre Dame joins the Big 12. If they join any conference, it would either be the Big 10 (likely) or the Big East.

I still think BYU has to agree to play on Sundays before the Big 12 would take them too. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Utah will freeze over before that happens. I think a few conferences would like BYU for their sports program, but are afraid that every gay right's group in the nation will picket the games if/when they're invited - or go after the TV advertisers.

A big conference invite may not be realistic for BYU. But they don't want to be chained to that horrible MWC contract.

Face it, with Utah gone, the MWC NEEDS BYU to survive. Replacing BYU AND UTAH with Boise State, Fresno and Nevada isn't exactly an even swap. And you have to figure TCU - if they remain a top football program over the next 3-4 years - will look for the first chance they get to jump ship.

Thompson saved his conference - temporarily. If he hopes to have a MWC down the road, I think he needs to pony up additional money for BYU (i.e. give them their football television rights.). He can make up the difference by bringing in Utah State as a 12th team and adding a conference championship game. That gives the conference 3 big-time football teams + FSU and Nevada and one of the best basketball conferences.
 
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GlassEater said:
A big conference invite may not be realistic for BYU. But they don't want to be chained to that horrible MWC contract.

Face it, with Utah gone, the MWC NEEDS BYU to survive. Replacing BYU AND UTAH with Boise State, Fresno and Nevada isn't exactly an even swap. And you have to figure TCU - if they remain a top football program over the next 3-4 years - will look for the first chance they get to jump ship.

Thompson saved his conference - temporarily. If he hopes to have a MWC down the road, I think he needs to pony up additional money for BYU (i.e. give them their football television rights.). He can make up the difference by bringing in Utah State as a 12th team and adding a conference championship game. That gives the conference 3 big-time football teams + FSU and Nevada and one of the best basketball conferences.
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Just in case everyone needs reminding, BYU created the "horrible MWC contract." They have a habit of creating athletic messes then leaving them for the schools with limited funding to live with.

I am glad to know that some feel the key to saving the MWC is to bring in Utah State, BYUs co-destructor, to make the 12 team conference. Based on the revealed emails, Kustra would probably take an ice-pick to the eye before casting his vote for that action (yes, he has a vote). Also, BYU would love to bring in USU to the MWC, lock everyone into a 25 mil buyout, then at the first sign of an extra dollar, bail. This would leave the rest of the conference to deal with USU's President to make secret treaties with what's left of the WAC to destroy the rest of college athletics as we know it.

As a former Aggie, I think Logan and USU is one of the best kept secrets, but I didn't know they hired George L. Tirebiter as the USU President (if you don't know George, you weren't there). Also, I am seriously considering 2% less as a BYU penalty. BYU should go independent. Independent from the Church and my support. This is all BYU's fiasco because they can't face being the church school it was designed to be. I have never been a BYU hater. I always justified their actions, but this secret combination, Godfather II, self-serving act deserves my regard no more.

BYU going independent will not have any effect on the "survival" of the MWC. The MWC needed BYU, Utah, TCU and BSU to become AQ. Now that Utah left, AQ is way far off. The only chance is getting Houston (NOT USU) to fill out the 12 team conference. Yes, BYU will have to stay for that to be even a remote possibility. I would rather be non-AQ than appear to beg BYU to stay. Houston will help solidify keeping TCU for a few more years. Regardless, the MWC will survive and maybe be better. It is not the same conference that made the "horrible contract" especially if BYU bolts. BSU and TCU (who were not in the conference when BYU brokered the contract) may have some designs on making modifications. They are definitely more trusted by most schools than BYU (see results of Aug 18, 2010).

But, it's not over yet. Who know what secret deal BYU will come up with next to claim their rightful throne over all the teams that regularly beat them on the football field. I don't but I am sure it will be entertaining.

:)
-monk
 
BSUMONK77 said:
Just in case everyone needs reminding, BYU created the "horrible MWC contract." They have a habit of creating athletic messes then leaving them for the schools with limited funding to live with.
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Just in case you weren't aware, Utah AND BYU jointly hired an attorney to investigate the deal. So it isn't just on the head of BYU as you imply. If anything, you should state that UTAH created the athletic mess and then fled the scene of the crime, leaving those other schools with limited funding to live with it. Also, the latest part of the TV deal was entirely Thompson's doing. BYU officials asked to see a copy of the contract, but Thompsom refused. BYU had to fly out lawyers - at BYU's expense - to review the contract. So yeah, I'd say BYU has the right to be a bit steamed.
 
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GlassEater said:
Just in case you weren't aware, Utah AND BYU jointly hired an attorney to investigate the deal. So it isn't just on the head of BYU as you imply. If anything, you should state that UTAH created the athletic mess and then fled the scene of the crime, leaving those other schools with limited funding to live with it.......
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I don't think Utah or BYU should feel too bad about this. While it was really stupid for both schools to enter into this TV deal, they've done more than their fair share of putting food in the mouths of teams like Wyoming, New Mexico, etc.

Not to mention the fact that Utah has brought BCS money to Mountain West schools twice now. While I'm sure BYU and TCU enjoyed those paychecks, they didn't really need it. On the other hand, it was probably a major coup for all of the lesser schools in the conference to get free BCS cash.

I still can't figure out why BYU and Utah agreed to the TV deal because they were the 2 teams that it hurt the worst. Nobody wants to pay Wyoming $1.3 million per year to put their games on TV. Even if Utah and BYU are both gone from the MWC in 2011, all of those **** schools should thank them for the "mess" that was created for them. They would have either continued to rot in a bloated WAC Conference or had been banished to the Sun Belt if Utah and BYU hadn't been the driving forces behind building the MWC.
 
Utah was definitely involved in creating the mess and I am sure they were laughing as they accepted the PAC-10 invite. But the reason BYU got their lawyers involved was to ensure the contract restricted play on Sundays and had very limited play during the week. Sundays were restricted for obvious reasons, but BYU saw that ESPN was doing more and more games during the week. They felt they would have better student athletes (focused on school) if there were limited or no games during the week. Most people can see this as a good reason for this BYU demand. And, in fact, ESPN does more and more games during the week and even on Sundays if they can schedule teams that attract viewers. Also, BYU and Utah gave general instructions to the MWC to find the best contract to achieve their demands.

The big complaint is now BYU is working secret combination to get out of the contract that the MWC got just to satisfy their demands. They did their secret tricks before in the Denver Airport and now expect the rest of college athletics to bow to their supremacy. Everyone sees it. They see the emails. They see the chaos they cause. So if they go independent (please do), they go with the WCC or the WAC with teams like New Mexico State, San Jose, USU and Idaho. Don't expect LA Tech to stay around (C-USA) or Hawaii (ind). Even if they all play the fill in games in Provo, I am sure the everyone will be happy to see the Vandals come in to LE Stadium in the middle of November when everyone else is steeped in games that matter. Try to get a top ten from that at the end of the year. Perpetual "Las Vegas bowl, here comes the Cougs."
 
BSUMONK77 said:
..... I am sure the everyone will be happy to see the Vandals come in to LE Stadium in the middle of November when everyone else is steeped in games that matter. Try to get a top ten from that at the end of the year. Perpetual "Las Vegas bowl, here comes the Cougs."
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It looks like we'll get the chance to see if your scenario plays out like that. Most "insider" reports have BYU still hell-bent on going independent. While I think staying in the MWC and adding Houston is a much better option for them, it's easy to see why they don't want to return. Just my opinion, but it's almost impossible for BYU to return to the MWC while saving any face what so ever.

As much as I hate BYU and would like nothing more than to see them suffer, I don't think being independent will force them to play the likes Idaho in the middle of November on a yearly basis, but on the flip side they're obviously not going to have the pull that somebody like Notre Dame does when it comes to scheduling. BYU haters seem to think a move to independence is going to make them fall flat on their *** while BYU lovers seem to think that everything is going to be magical once they break free from the MWC and chart their own course.

As is usually the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle........
 
jazzman12 said:
As much as I hate BYU and would like nothing more than to see them suffer, I don't think being independent will force them to play the likes Idaho in the middle of November on a yearly basis, but on the flip side they're obviously not going to have the pull that somebody like Notre Dame does when it comes to scheduling. BYU haters seem to think a move to independence is going to make them fall flat on their *** while BYU lovers seem to think that everything is going to be magical once they break free from the MWC and chart their own course.

As is usually the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle........
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Out of curiosity, who do you see BYU playing late in the season if they go independent?

All the good teams will be playing conference schedules late in the season. It will be the Idahos and San Jose States of the world that would like to bring BYU in to help with ticket sales.
 
I will support any action that gets The Mountain taken off of the air.


It's like the *******-son of PBS and KUED7.
 
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jazzman12 said:
It looks like we'll get the chance to see if your scenario plays out like that. Most "insider" reports have BYU still hell-bent on going independent. While I think staying in the MWC and adding Houston is a much better option for them, it's easy to see why they don't want to return. Just my opinion, but it's almost impossible for BYU to return to the MWC while saving any face what so ever.

As much as I hate BYU and would like nothing more than to see them suffer, I don't think being independent will force them to play the likes Idaho in the middle of November on a yearly basis, but on the flip side they're obviously not going to have the pull that somebody like Notre Dame does when it comes to scheduling. BYU haters seem to think a move to independence is going to make them fall flat on their *** while BYU lovers seem to think that everything is going to be magical once they break free from the MWC and chart their own course.

As is usually the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle........
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Well, Utah is playing @Notre Dame in November this year. Why can't BYU do the same thing with the Irish? While Navy and Army aren't great programs, they carry a certain amount of interest because they are service acadamies. If BYU can frontload their schedule with decent teams and a few big games, finishing out the final month of the season with Notre Dame, Navy, and Army isn't as doom and gloom as it sounds. Hell, you can even throw Air Force into that mix. While they will be playing an MWC schedule, I could see them trying to keep a late date open for BYU each year.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go throw up in my mouth now. I've defended BYU waaaayyyy too much with my last couple of posts.

.....And P.S:

Welcome back Trout. Fundamentally, I disagree with you on almost every level but damn it, I find you to be one interesting son of a bitch.
 
jazzman12 said:
Well, Utah is playing @Notre Dame in November this year. Why can't BYU do the same thing with the Irish? While Navy and Army aren't great programs, they carry a certain amount of interest because they are service acadamies. If BYU can frontload their schedule with decent teams and a few big games, finishing out the final month of the season with Notre Dame, Navy, and Army isn't as doom and gloom as it sounds. Hell, you can even throw Air Force into that mix. While they will be playing an MWC schedule, I could see them trying to keep a late date open for BYU each year.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go throw up in my mouth now. I've defended BYU waaaayyyy too much with my last couple of posts.

.....And P.S:

Welcome back Trout. Fundamentally, I disagree with you on almost every level but damn it, I find you to be one interesting son of a bitch.
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Do you think Notre Dame, Navy, and Army would want to play BYU every single year though? I doubt it. Notre Dame has big money teams lined up to play them, and a big money conference begging them to join, there is no way they would age to play BYU more than 2 or 3 years.

BYU would need to fill in around 8 games every single year (what most teams play in-conference). And they would need to schedule these games for a time when everyone else is playing in-conference games, every year.

I can see them getting scrubs like Idaho because they need all the help they can get selling tickets. I can see them getting Utah State too, because Utah State is also in a scrub conference. But if Utah said they will only play them early in the season, and that is their biggest rival who has played them late in the season every year for like 100 years, why is anyone else going to play them late in the season?

And this is an even bigger deal if MWC teams hold a grudge and refuse to schedule them.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Do you think Notre Dame, Navy, and Army would want to play BYU every single year though? I doubt it. Notre Dame has big money teams lined up to play them, and a big money conference begging them to join, there is no way they would age to play BYU more than 2 or 3 years.

BYU would need to fill in around 8 games every single year (what most teams play in-conference). And they would need to schedule these games for a time when everyone else is playing in-conference games, every year.

I can see them getting scrubs like Idaho because they need all the help they can get selling tickets. I can see them getting Utah State too, because Utah State is also in a scrub conference. But if Utah said they will only play them early in the season, and that is their biggest rival who has played them late in the season every year for like 100 years, why is anyone else going to play them late in the season?

And this is an even bigger deal if MWC teams hold a grudge and refuse to schedule them.
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I'm sure Navy and Army would love to play BYU every year. Perhaps you should explain to me why they wouldn't. As far as Notre Dame goes, I don't see why a yearly series with BYU is out of the question. They can let the networks really play up the whole Catholics Vs. Mormons angle which I'd guess would give Notre Dame one of it's bigger TV audiences of each year and BYU would obviously be playing on a bigger network, so there's more $$$$$ to entice Notre Dame come down to BYU every other season.
 
jazzman12 said:
I'm sure Navy and Army would love to play BYU every year. Perhaps you should explain to me why they wouldn't. As far as Notre Dame goes, I don't see why a yearly series with BYU is out of the question. They can let the networks really play up the whole Catholics Vs. Mormons angle which I'd guess would give Notre Dame one of it's bigger TV audiences of each year and BYU would obviously be playing on a bigger network, so there's more $$$$$ to entice Notre Dame come down to BYU every other season.
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Well I don't think any of those teams would play BYU every year. Maybe here and there, a few years, but not every year.

Notre Dame has the Big 10, the Big 12, and the Big East, all begging them to join and trying to schedule as many games against them as possible. Plus Notre Dame plays USC every year on top of that. They also have a huge tv contract and automatic BCS qualifying already. They might throw BYU a bone and play them a couple times, but there is absoutely no way it would become an every year thing.

And in the ridiculously unlikely event that all 3 of those teams agree to play BYU every single year (which would never happen, but even if it did) that is only 3 games. They need 12, so 9 more- every year.

So what decent teams are going to schedule BYU every single year, while their conference is trying to schedule in conference games?

It's a pipe dream. And if it was even close to being as easy as you paint it then BYU would have never agreed to play 6 games per against WAC teams. BYU has said all along that they are trying to get the most exposure possible and that is the motivation for all of this. And yet they still agreed to play 6 games per year against crappy WAC teams before the MWC blew that plan up. So BYU must have known that scheduling is a going to be a problem, especially late in the season.

Trust me, if BYU didn't need the WAC, they would have never included them. BYU is not going to find 12 teams to play every year unless the list is made up mostly of Idahos, San Jose States, and equally crappy teams, with maybe a couple of big name teams mixed in here and there.
 
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