Bin Laden is dead

[DutchJazzer]

I agree with you on the Patriot Act. It needs to be repealed in its entirety now that Bin laden is dead. It was supposed to only be a temporary thing while we fought this ******** war on terror. They made certain parts of it permanent after the fact. Now that Bin Laden is dead, we need to repeal the whole damn thing.

it should have never happened it the first place this time laws are thrown out the window for security reasons what reason will it be next time.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.

The question is, will Millsapa now accuse me of saying DutchJazzer is a clock?

but stopped clocks being right 3 times a day does not happen

 

[DutchJazzer]

Obama was "in the act" of planning attacks on this nation. While catching him in the act of raping your daughter is definitely a reason to kill him, does it compare to catching him after he murdered thousands of people, while he was attempting to murder thousands more? You said I had a point where I would treat him like less than human. Apparently you do too- legal or not.

if someone is planmning asn attack on america. just sitting unarmed with a pen and paper planning the an attack. you still dont have the right to shoot. because nobody is in immentent danger. the act of planning attacks doesnt put people in immenent danger

 

[DutchJazzer]

Okay, first off, I don't give a **** if some clowns in a country on the other side of the world think it would be "wonderful" to treat Bin Laden like a human being. **** Bin Laden, and **** those clowns too if they are going to hate me because I wanted Bin Laden dead.

Now that that is out of the way...

maybe thats what caused 911

because some clown in a country on the other side of the world didnt like how you guys treated foreigners.

so actually you should give a **** what clowns in country s on the other side of the world think. now not all clowns will plan an attack. but some might.

and its not just some clowns. there are alot who hate the way usa is acting

 

[Gameface]

Is that true?

Essentially you can use deadly force to defend yourself, your home or your family if you feel life or limb are threatened. If a person uses force or stealth to enter your home they are automatically considered to be threatening life and limb and you can use deadly force to stop them.

Don't ever think of it as you being allowed to kill someone if they step foot on your property. That's never really the case. You should always consider it as what you are allowed to do to stop someone from threatening the life of you or your family. Once the threat has been neutralized you are no longer allowed to use deadly force.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Essentially you can use deadly force to defend yourself, your home or your family if you feel life or limb are threatened. If a person uses force or stealth to enter your home they are automatically considered to be threatening life and limb and you can use deadly force to stop them.

Don't ever think of it as you being allowed to kill someone if they step foot on your property. That's never really the case. You should always consider it as what you are allowed to do to stop someone from threatening the life of you or your family. Once the threat has been neutralized you are no longer allowed to use deadly force.

exactly

 

[TheDude]

if someone is planmning asn attack on america. just sitting unarmed with a pen and paper planning the an attack. you still dont have the right to shoot. because nobody is in immentent danger. the act of planning attacks doesnt put people in immenent danger

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DutchJazzer again."

Negative, of course.

 

[LogGrad98]

if someone is planmning asn attack on america. just sitting unarmed with a pen and paper planning the an attack. you still dont have the right to shoot. because nobody is in immentent danger. the act of planning attacks doesnt put people in immenent danger

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DutchJazzer again. Positive of course.


This is very true. If this were not the case how many whackos out there are writing up plans to blow things up on chunks of cardboard with crayons that we need to hunt down and kill.

So if writing down plans to kill people puts people in "imminent danger", I guess we should have the swat team rush this guy and blow his brains out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSWhEuWaRc&feature=related

 

[TheDude]

So Bin Laden writing out plans or issuing orders to carry out attacks would not put people in imminent danger? How many times does the dude have to prove he is a murderer.

 

[LogGrad98]

if someone is planmning asn attack on america. just sitting unarmed with a pen and paper planning the an attack. you still dont have the right to shoot. because nobody is in immentent danger. the act of planning attacks doesnt put people in immenent danger

So Bin Laden writing out plans or issuing orders to carry out attacks would not put people in imminent danger? How many times does the dude have to prove he is a murderer.

Why do you people keep adding stuff that was not said so you can argue against it?

No one said "ordering attacks" but just planning them. I may have 1000 plans to blow up every school in the Reno area in my house, but if I never act on them it does not pose an imminent threat. Obviously if I have a group of cronies who follow my every command and I tell them to carry out the attacks, that is different.

 

[Scat]

I may have 1000 plans to blow up every school in the Reno area in my house, but if I never act on them it does not pose an imminent threat.

I think the Reno PD may feel otherwise. If thousands of plans to blow up every school in the Reno area were found in your possession there would be some serious heat come down on you, including I suspect, the FBI and Homeland Security.

 

[SaltyDawg]

maybe thats what caused 911

because some clown in a country on the other side of the world didnt like how you guys treated foreigners.

so actually you should give a **** what clowns in country s on the other side of the world think. now not all clowns will plan an attack. but some might.

and its not just some clowns. there are alot who hate the way usa is acting

I still don't give a **** what some clowns on the other side of the world think of me. If they want to plan an attack, well now they have been served a harsh warning that the Navy SEALS will be coming for them, and the only trial they get will be a 10 second trial, conviction, sentence, and execution.

This is very true. If this were not the case how many whackos out there are writing up plans to blow things up on chunks of cardboard with crayons that we need to hunt down and kill.

So if writing down plans to kill people puts people in "imminent danger", I guess we should have the swat team rush this guy and blow his brains out:

If any of those whackos actually carry out multiple attacks and lead an army of willing soldiers like Bin Laden, then yes, they would be considered imminent threats too if they were still planning attacks.

Why do you people keep adding stuff that was not said so you can argue against it?

No one said "ordering attacks" but just planning them. I may have 1000 plans to blow up every school in the Reno area in my house, but if I never act on them it does not pose an imminent threat. Obviously if I have a group of cronies who follow my every command and I tell them to carry out the attacks, that is different.

Says the guy who changed "walking in on your daughter being raped" into "someone breaks into your house and then rapes your daughter inside your own house." It's about time you stopped calling everyone out for doing the same thing you keep doing.

Now of course Bin Laden is an imminent threat if he is actively planning attacks. You seem to agree with that, so why are you arguing it?

 

[LogGrad98]

I think the Reno PD may feel otherwise. If thousands of plans to blow up every school in the Reno area were found in your possession there would be some serious heat come down on you, including I suspect, the FBI and Homeland Security.

Again you miss the point. If they walked in on me writing plans at my desk I would probably get arrested but that would not be justification to shoot me outright as I am sitting at my desk, pen in hand. That has been the discussion at this point, that for it to be legal to shoot someone in that circumstance they need to pose an imminent threat. So arrested, sure, but to be shot? That would not be legal.

Even then it would not pose an imminent threat. 1000 plans to blow up all the schools written in notebooks are not IMMINENT. They are POTENTIAL. Now if there were bombs planted all over the place then that would be imminent.

 

[PearlWatson]

Obama ordered the assassination of Osama so he could spike the football now until election day.

/thread

 

[LogGrad98]

Completely inapplicable as stated.

If you walk in on some guy raping your daughter you are fully within the law to defend her in any way possible, including killing him.

HOWEVER, if you have knocked him down and tied him up and called the police...THEN while he lay there you put a gun to his head and blew his brains out, you are outside the law and will (and should) be prosecuted. That would be illegal.

Just as if after I tied up the guy raping my daughter I cut him in various places and let my dogs eat him alive (pomeranians can be vicious little ******** =) it would be illegal. The guy might deserve that kind of death, but administering it that way, in those circumstances, would be illegal.

Says the guy who changed "walking in on your daughter being raped" into "someone breaks into your house and then rapes your daughter inside your own house." It's about time you stopped calling everyone out for doing the same thing you keep doing.

Now of course Bin Laden is an imminent threat if he is actively planning attacks. You seem to agree with that, so why are you arguing it?

So here is the quote where I talked about the daughter rape thing. Care to point out where I changed it to "in my house". You make such a fool of yourself when you keep changing quotes then get proved wrong.

No of course Bin Laden is NOT an imminent threat just sitting there with his pen writing stuff down. If we walked in on him sitting at a desk, pen in hand, how is that IMMINENT. Go look up imminent please, so you are not, yet again, talking out of your ***.

Of course he poses a threat in general because he has plans to attack people, just as I would in my example about planning to blow up things in Reno. But that risk is in no way IMMINENT at that point in time.

 

[Beantown]

They should have burned him alive, a gun shot to the head was too much mercy.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So here is the quote where I talked about the daughter rape thing. Care to point out where I changed it to "in my house". You make such a fool of yourself when you keep changing quotes then get proved wrong.

No of course Bin Laden is NOT an imminent threat just sitting there with his pen writing stuff down. If we walked in on him sitting at a desk, pen in hand, how is that IMMINENT. Go look up imminent please, so you are not, yet again, talking out of your ***.

Of course he poses a threat in general because he has plans to attack people, just as I would in my example about planning to blow up things in Reno. But that risk is in no way IMMINENT at that point in time.

Which part?

As for defending your family/property I know the laws vary somewhat state to state. In Nevada they have a so-called "Defend Your Castle" law that states if anyone enters your house, or ****s with your property (including family) you are fully within your rights to shoot them dead.

Our house was broken into last year and it kind of freaked me out for a few days (since I had moved here ahead of my family I was alone for a month or so after the breakin). I talked to the cop who came to take my report the night of the breakin and asked what he thought I should do, as in barricade the door (I couldn't get it fixed that time of night) or go stay elsewhere or what. He said "hell if it were me I would sit in the dark with the door wide open holding a shotgun hoping they come back". He said the laws were so strongly on the side of the homeowner in Nevada that as long as you, in his words, "can drag him to within a few yards of a window" you could kill them.

As far as the execution part I described, I am pretty sure it would be considered murder in every state, in those circumstances. Might get off due to temp insanity or something, but having the guy tied up with the police on the way, then shooting him in the head is pretty cut and dried illegal.

I am not the one talking out of my *** here. Clearly, you are talking about your house being broken into when millsapa asked if it was true (in regards to it being legal to shoot him).

So, speaking of looking like a fool when you change quotes and then get proven wrong....

I never said he was sitting there with a pen. I said he was planning attacks. What if he was on his computer? That IS imminent. What if he was on a cell phone? That IS imminent.

What if he was sitting at his desk but someone else in the room was holding a cell phone waiting for an order?

To add to this...

What if you had already seen plans of his to bomb something, and then have a second bomb go off after the rescue workers arrive?

What if you suspect he is strapped with explosives and only trying to lure you close enough to take you out with him?

What if you suspect there is a microphone in the room waiting for a code or something to be given and someone monitoring it in another location?

There are endless possibilities that could make Bin Laden an imminent threat, even if he was on his knees with his hands behind his head.

 

[One Brow]

I never said he was sitting there with a pen. I said he was planning attacks. What if he was on his computer? That IS imminent. What if he was on a cell phone? That IS imminent.

Now we have descended into the ludicrous. Osama has surrendered, but still has the DEADLY CELLPHONE! Shoot him!

What if you had already seen plans of his to bomb something, and then have a second bomb go off after the rescue workers arrive?

Plans don't explode.

What if you suspect he is strapped with explosives and only trying to lure you close enough to take you out with him?

Then we woudn't be hearing official reports he was unarmed.

What if you suspect there is a microphone in the room waiting for a code or something to be given and someone monitoring it in another location?

What if you suspect moonbeams may respond to his verbal commands and unleash the Holy hand Gernade of Antioch upon you?

There are endless possibilities that could make Bin Laden an imminent threat, even if he was on his knees with his hands behind his head.

For a given level of "probability" very difficult to distinguish from zero.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Now we have descended into the ludicrous. Osama has surrendered, but still has the DEADLY CELLPHONE! Shoot him!

It's not ludicrous at all. This is a guy who has been training countless soldiers to make IEDs that explode when called from a cell phone.

Plans don't explode.

Plans cause explosions though.

Then we woudn't be hearing official reports he was unarmed.

So what if he was unarmed? If the SEAL thought he was armed and an imminent threat, it is totally legal to shoot him. Whether he turns out to actually be armed doesn't matter.

What if you suspect moonbeams may respond to his verbal commands and unleash the Holy hand Gernade of Antioch upon you?

Or what if I just think I should have kept ignoring your posts like I have been for most of this thread?

For a given level of "probability" very difficult to distinguish from zero.

Not true at all. This is a guy who has an army of soldiers, almost all of which would love to be a martyr, and their leader who you are trying to take down has also vowed to go out as a martyr. He has a long history of deceptive bombings (I listed examples of a bomb, and then a secondary bomb a while later designed to take out rescue workers). He is a threat at almost any time and place you encounter him. And that threat increases if you are inside his compound, where he has multiple soldiers all over the place and has likely planned for this many times.

 

[One Brow]

It's not ludicrous at all. This is a guy who has been training countless soldiers to make IEDs that explode when called from a cell phone.

So he bombed his own house?

Plans cause explosions though.

You mean, when they are written in C4, or something? *chuckle*

So what if he was unarmed?

So he wasn't rigged with explosives.

Or what if I just think I should have kept ignoring your posts like I have been for most of this thread?

Feel free. I can show your points to be ludicrous and funny, whether you respond to them or not.

Not true at all.

*chuckle*