That's a good post, and I can see exactly where you're coming from. We just see it differently, that's all. At least you took the time to not look like a complete *****ird while doing it.
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That's a good post, and I can see exactly where you're coming from. We just see it differently, that's all. At least you took the time to not look like a complete *****ird while doing it.
Gyp Rosetti
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I agree with Trout and One Brow here. I'm not sure it's simply because another human being is dead as much as it is that our celebrations mimic exactly what many Muslims (I don't know who; certain sects I guess) did in the Mid-East and elsewhere immediately following the 9/11 attacks. The reasons are different sure but it's the same sad act. Taking to the streets, cheering, chanting, mindless participation. Really? We're not better than that? We don't know to toss the football to the ref after scoring a touchdown like we've done it before? I find it sort of sickening. War, other than the end of one, is nothing to revel in. I'm sorry.
Boondocksaint27
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Trout, typically we agree on everything, but the huffington post loves to hire writers that monday-morning-quarterback events from the safety and security of their cushy desks while lacking any real life experience. huffington post<science
1) No answer for this one, but I have to imagine that if they've been planning this attack out for the last week and got the tip on his location in August, that they would have medical examiners on scene not long after to legitimize him. They also supposedly had several facial recognition devices confirm it was him in the weeks before...supposedly.
2) DNA tests can be confirmed in minutes to hours if the resources are available right away. The reason you usually hear about DNA test results taking so long is because they more often than not use mail in services, in which case it takes anywhere from days to weeks depending on the location of the labs. I've had family in Las Vegas that have had DNA tests run and had the results within a day. If they already had DNA samples from him, which they allegedly did, it should have been a breeze.
3) This also factors in to the above, but our government has supposedly had DNA samples for the last decade that have been provided by the cooperative family members that we escorted out of Afghanistan in 2001 after the attacks.
Clearly some of this is subject to speculation, just what I've gathered.
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Boondocksaint27
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Yeah, this whole event evoked a stronger emotional response in me then I was anticipating
I totally agree, I can't stand Huffington, but it's hard to disagree with what was said in that article.
Gyp Rosetti
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Let me also just add. Awesome ****ing assassination peeps. If this hasn't brought those scumbags to their knees, strike while the iron's hot and finish them off.
Gyp Rosetti
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Thanks bro.
1- They first did an eyeball check on him and it looked like him, then they had one of his wives(former wives?) verify it was him, then they used the DNA test.... could have been done from the chopper, or a boat?
2- The War room in Washington had a live feed of the battle.....technology is pretty impressive... you can send DNA information I'm sure using their secure lines... or whatever they use. Satellites?
3- Years ago they got some DNA samples from family in one of the places he lived. I believe it was specifically his DNA, and not just a family members that would be close.
Just what I have heard here and there.
No links, I am too lazy.
-- wow, my post lagged a long time.... dtol's answers were better anyways.
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Boondocksaint27
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I'm getting the feeling that all of a sudden Patriotism is being frowned upon in this country, maybe it's just me. Again, 3,000 innocent lives lost does not equate to the death of one murderous coward. Therefore they are not the same to me. Unfortunately the Bush Jr. administration made a traveshamockery of the word "Patriotism" and through political bantering the word "Patriot" became synonymous with "blind follower". But, why, WHY do we have to shake our heads in disgust at those celebrating a love of country and closure for thousands of people.
I completely disagree. This was the face of 9-11. This was the face of the African embassy bombings. This was the face of the USS Cole. This was the guy who posted videos/audio threatening American and western interests and the guy who eluded capture for more than 13 years. He was the symbol of the fear that has hung over America for the past 10 years and the guy who gave the sword rattlers all the alibi they needed to start wars. Personally, I don't have even the slightest problem with the celebrations outside the White House or in Times Square or especially at Ground Zero. Did his death win the war? No, but does his death take away the most infamous boogey man the world has seen since probably Hitler? Damn straight. Celebrate, dance, do what you wanna do. Or don't. I'm just not going to criticize those who felt that celebrating this ******** death felt like the right thing to do.
Boondocksaint27
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to YB85 again.
Gyp Rosetti
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I'm not shaking my head in disgust. Perhaps sort of sickening was a bit strong. Again, I guess my general take is that nothing about war is something to revel in, other than the end of it of course.
Like I said, I'm stoked we killed his ***. And given how fractured they may be, we need to pounce now.
Don't forget the soldiers that died in the dirty streets of Mogadishu, Somalia.
Gyp Rosetti
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I totally respect your opinion and understand your position. In fact, I'd say it's tough for me not to agree with it. And I would never tell someone not to celebrate. It's just not my cup of tea I suppose.
Gyp Rosetti
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Sorry if I seem like unpatriotic bitch by the way.
America. **** yeah!
America. **** yeah!
Well, that's like, your opinion, man.
And that's what I like. Even though we disagree, we can still hold hands and play poker together.
Also, speaking on the "conspiracy" thing that I'm sure we'll get waves of over the coming days, weeks, months and so on (which I'm not accusing anyone here of), there's absolutely some questions regarding how they went about discarding the body and lack of evidence at this point, but you have to look at the risk factor of making a move like that. Say this is a hoax, can you imagine the humiliation, integrity hit, and devastation that this would cause to not only our government, but our country? A hoax of that magnitude would be the riskiest thing this country has done since we BECAME a nation. The consequences of making something like this would be more damaging to the United States than any single act of terrorism could do. If I'm Osama in this scenario, the single most effective attack against our country right now would be is simple as releasing a video saying "I'm alive". At that point he can just sit back, turn on the tube, and watch the country crumble from within.
I just don't see how, in any way, shape or form, that this could be fake. The risk factor is far too consequential and the rebuttal would affect not only America, but the world in ways that we can't even imagine.
I just don't see how, in any way, shape or form, that this could be fake. The risk factor is far too consequential and the rebuttal would affect not only America, but the world in ways that we can't even imagine.
Outside the few bipartisan ******** I've heard on both sides, I'm celebrating the unity this is bringing Americans. It's not often we unanimously agree on one thing, and today that is killing Osama was good. I'd rather focus on that. This nation could use a little harmony.
It's a solemn day for me, but if I had close relations to anyone from 9/11 or a war death then I'd be hooting and hollering patriotic stuff too. Good for them.
It's a solemn day for me, but if I had close relations to anyone from 9/11 or a war death then I'd be hooting and hollering patriotic stuff too. Good for them.