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Twin Towers

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I have not been one to hope the Jazz lose any game. But over the past 2 weeks I have been rooting for the Jazz to lose.

We all would rather have the growing pains of the young guys playing rather than watch old guys be mediocre.

This is the same reason why I want the Jazz to lose every single game.........
It is the only way we will get rid of Corbin, Mo Williams and Jefferson.

They are the 3 headed monster who ruin this team.

Its our only chance for the future. Lets just hope that the front office can see how bad Mo Williams is. Jefferson I still think they like. But hopefully they see how dumb Corbin is.
 
Hey man, I know exactly how you feel. You've been one of the staunchest supporter of the Jazz and I've loved all your posts since I've started posting here in 2010. (Although I know you haven't been posting a lot lately)

To me embarrassing losses like these is the only way to make the FO and the Millers realize that Ty is not the answer.

If by the end of the season we've finally gotten rid of Ty, I'd still rate this season as a step forward in the right direction.
 
Is there any stronger evidence of truth than when me and Hotttnickkk completely agree on a point?
 
Corbin is toast. Honestly, it would be insulting to bring back a coach who can't keep players from totally quitting.
 
I have not been one to hope the Jazz lose any game. But over the past 2 weeks I have been rooting for the Jazz to lose.

We all would rather have the growing pains of the young guys playing rather than watch old guys be mediocre.

This is the same reason why I want the Jazz to lose every single game.........
It is the only way we will get rid of Corbin, Mo Williams and Jefferson.

They are the 3 headed monster who ruin this team.

Its our only chance for the future. Lets just hope that the front office can see how bad Mo Williams is. Jefferson I still think they like. But hopefully they see how dumb Corbin is.

All I want to add is that Jefferson is worse than Corbin. Corbin might look half-competent with a real PG and without an offense, defense, and transition wrecking behemoth playing the most minutes (the most minutes part is Corbin's doing, the rest is Al and don't accept excuses).
 
Just typed this out on RealGM, trying to explain to those who don't watch the Jazz frequently a quick list of problems with Corbin, thought someone here might appreciate it as well:
If you only watch occasional Jazz games it's hard to fully see the dysfunctional nature of Corbin's rotations and gameplans.

- Players routinely fall in and out of the rotation entirely in a way that is just baffling. Burks finished last year playing ~20 minutes/game by the end of the year, took him half way through this year to break into the rotation at all. Played great minutes at backup PG for about a 10 game span when Watson was playing really badly (He's always awful, but bad even for his standards) and then was discontinued for more bad play by Watson when Mo came back.

- Same thing with Demarre Carroll, who (sadly) is pretty easily the best three on the roster.

- Tinsley started basically every game while Mo was out, was clearly ahead of Watson in terms of production and pecking order, then mysteriously disappeared from the rotation without injury while Watson is now playing a significant amount of minutes.

- Mo Williams is a decent player, but he needs a coach who doesn't just give him free reign to do whatever the hell he wants at the end of the game. Tonight was the perfect example of how he has hurt the Jazz all year. With three minutes left, the Jazz down 5 or 6, Mo and Al Jefferson combine to take the Jazz last 10 shots, going 1 for 10. Every single shot was an isolation when neither player had a particularly good game to that point.

- Young players are held accountable for mistakes while old players seemingly cannot lose rotation spots (except those who lose them mysteriously while still clearly being the best option - Carroll, Tinsley)

- Kanter is a player who on any other team of similar quality would get ~30 minutes a game, as would Favors, yet they are continually benched for Millsap and Jefferson (Some of this is obviously on the FO). Primarily, what is frustrating is that Ty will hold them out of the game almost entirely if Al or Paul is playing well, claiming that he stuck with the hot hand, but refuses entirely to use this principle to justify extra minutes for either Kanter or Favors. Very frustrating.

- For the majority of the year, Hayward has come off the bench but really been our best/most consistent all around player. This leads to odd situations where frequently Hayward will play sparingly in the first, most of the second, then the last half of the third and the entire fourth, leading to horrible play down the stretch primarily because he doesn't have his legs and leaves everything short after playing 15-18 consecutive minutes.

This was just a quick off the top list of my problems with Ty, and doesn't even mention the fact that we have no cohesive offensive or defensive vision.
 
All I want to add is that Jefferson is worse than Corbin. Corbin might look half-competent with a real PG and without an offense, defense, and transition wrecking behemoth playing the most minutes (the most minutes part is Corbin's doing, the rest is Al and don't accept excuses).

Ya they are all pretty bad. I think a good coach can make Jefferson and Mo Williams work. Not be a contender or anything like that. But a good coach can use players well without hurting the rest of the team. Jefferson kills ball movement and so does Mo Williams. I am tired of these types of players.
I just want the ball to rotate during a game. Not just watch Jefferson throw up floaters from 10 feet out. And Mo Williams force up outside shots.

Its honestly exhausting to watch this team right now. Defense we all know sucks and the pick and roll problem with Jefferson on defense. But offense is much worse but it is harder to see and point out because its hard to prove that more people would be involved and score more. Its the unseen that is what hurts us the most.
Like the broken window fallacy in economics. Its just insane.

Jefferson is a leach. He can have a role as a scorer on a team like off the bench where you need some quick buckets. Just like a leach they can suck out poison. They can serve a purpose. But if you become dependent on them it can kill you.
Same with Mo Williams. He should be used as a catch and shoot player. The offense should be running through everyone else.
But this is what Corbin does he has no idea how to use players properly. He just depends on certain players rather than using players for their strengths.
 
Hey man, I know exactly how you feel. You've been one of the staunchest supporter of the Jazz and I've loved all your posts since I've started posting here in 2010. (Although I know you haven't been posting a lot lately)

To me embarrassing losses like these is the only way to make the FO and the Millers realize that Ty is not the answer.

If by the end of the season we've finally gotten rid of Ty, I'd still rate this season as a step forward in the right direction.

I agree but honestly if the Jazz sign Jefferson, Mo Williams or Corbin next year. If any of them are here I am not watching next season. I already somewhat stopped this year. The only thing that is keeping me watching is when the young players come in so I can imagine the future.
If they are back I am done watching because I know they will ruin the careers of these young players and honestly I am a players fan not a team fan.
I have no reason to support a team because of the city I live in or the ownerships or jersey colors.
I support coaches who coach correctly and players who play correctly. Outside of that I am happy to root for another team that has a system that makes sense.
 
I look at the Denver Nuggets and watch in amazement. Talk about a team where the coach makes all the difference in the world. There is really not one player I am blown away by on the Nuggets, but somehow they are one of the best teams in the league. I attribute the majority of their success to George Karl. Can you imagine what George Karl could do with current Jazz? They still would not be close to a championship team, but I believe they would be as good as the current Denver team. Here is to wishing for a good coach.
 
Some confident people in here about the firing of Ty for a franchise that has only had 3 coaches since the move to SLC (well 4 if you count Nissalke).

I just don't think the FO will fire Ty if they feel that can find a better replacement. I'm not subscribing to the ever growing "anyone but him" theme.

I do agree with Keefe though. George Karl could coach circles around Ty. He's one of my favorite coaches in the NBA, but man did he have a bad stint in Millwakee with not too shabby of a team. Does anyone remember his 2002 season. Horrific job of keeping his team together.

I still think the FO gives Ty one more year to see what he can do with the youth w/o "vets" tempting him.
 
Some confident people in here about the firing of Ty for a franchise that has only had 3 coaches since the move to SLC (well 4 if you count Nissalke).

I just don't think the FO will fire Ty if they feel that can find a better replacement. I'm not subscribing to the ever growing "anyone but him" theme.

I do agree with Keefe though. George Karl could coach circles around Ty. He's one of my favorite coaches in the NBA, but man did he have a bad stint in Millwakee with not too shabby of a team. Does anyone remember his 2002 season. Horrific job of keeping his team together.

I still think the FO gives Ty one more year to see what he can do with the youth w/o "vets" tempting him.

We'll see. The fact he has a better team this year, with the young guns all better, and has produced a worse record than last does not bode well for him.
 
Oranges are kind of bitter-sweet.
I guess you can say, Tyrone Corbin is kind of an orange.
Then you learn that in the end, we are all oranges in this lemony and grapefruity world.
And while we're here, what is an orange, if not a discolored lemon or a smaller grapefruit? Are we better than those that are better than us?
Think about it and re-evaluate your opinion on oranges. Not just for me, not just for the world, but for yourself.
It won't make sense, but it'll feel like it does and in the end, isn't that's what really matters?
 
Oranges are kind of bitter-sweet.
I guess you can say, Tyrone Corbin is kind of an orange.
Then you learn that in the end, we are all oranges in this lemony and grapefruity world.
And while we're here, what is an orange, if not a discolored lemon or a smaller grapefruit? Are we better than those that are better than us?
Think about it and re-evaluate your opinion on oranges. Not just for me, not just for the world, but for yourself.
It won't make sense, but it'll feel like it does and in the end, isn't that's what really matters?

I take offense to this. I don't want to be connected to Corbin in anyway.
 
Oranges are kind of bitter-sweet.
I guess you can say, Tyrone Corbin is kind of an orange.
Then you learn that in the end, we are all oranges in this lemony and grapefruity world.
And while we're here, what is an orange, if not a discolored lemon or a smaller grapefruit? Are we better than those that are better than us?
Think about it and re-evaluate your opinion on oranges. Not just for me, not just for the world, but for yourself.
It won't make sense, but it'll feel like it does and in the end, isn't that's what really matters?

Mandarins are alright though... I can eat them all day..
 
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