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Black History Month

I know that going through public school I was not taught American History from a black person's perspective. I was taught about black people in the U.S. from a white person's perspective. I was taught about the U.S. as being a creation of European explorers and settlers. I was taught about the places that Americans came from originally, and those places were European places and then we learned more about those places. I didn't learn about the specifics of African history at all. Were there various cultural groups in Africa? Not according to my public school education. Africa was one thing and that thing was the place where Europeans went to get their slaves.

Has that changed?

If it hasn't then before we criticize Black History Month then maybe we should insist on the necessary change NOW.

To ignore the role that race has played in the U.S., as if we can just create a clean slate and whala everyone is on an equal playing field is seriously misguided. There is a massive wealth gap and that is something that in many ways is passed from generation to generation. Besides the actual wealth being passed down, the tools to gain wealth are also passed down. African Americans started way behind after slavery was abolished and it hasn't been near long enough for that late start to be equalled out.

Not only has it not been enough time, there have been very specific efforts to slow down, stop, and reverse progress that has been made in the African American community. From red-lining, to segregation, to individual and systemic racial bias and discrimination.

Recently there was a study done where they submitted resumes that were identical, but one had a "white sounding" name while the other had a "black sounding" name. The exact same resume didn't result in the same amount of interviews, not even close. This was true in general. Not a few bad actors. Not just one racist HR person. It was system wide.

The law is not enforced evenly for caucasians and African Americans. The police stop black people at a proportionally higher rate than they do white people. The police ask to search the vehicle at a proportionally higher rate when that person is black. The police make an arrest for nominal quantities of narcotics or other contraband at a disproportionately higher rate when the person is black. Prosecutors pursue the case more often when the defendant is black. Juries convict more often when the defendant is black. Sentences are typically harsher when the defendant is black.

At every step of the legal process outcomes are worse when you are African American. There is bias in the system.

Before we can ignore skin color entirely we need to address these issues and correct them. Just pretending like their is not an issue is not a solution.
 
He has a lot to do with the continuing struggle against racism, which struggle is rooted in American history.
I've found that many people want to share their cuisine with people from outside their culture as a way to connect and to in a small way help those people better understand their identity.

Someone who opens a restaurant that expressly represents Ethiopian food is making an overet invitation for people to come and experience that cuisine.

It also goes a little way to helping someone like myself understand distinctions in Africa between people from different geographic areas or cultures.

I certainly will not be going to Mahider Ethiopian to gawk at the employees, or mock their culture or to demean them. I will be going so that I can experience a type of cuisine that I haven't had before and support directly a locally owned African American business.
 
I feel like Morgan Freeman's comment here is aspirational - maybe that's how things would be if we were living in a perfect, or even good, society, but we're not. Look at it this way: Would you take these comments the same if they were said by Martin Freeman?
Who the hell is Martin Freeman? Morgan's brother?
 
I've found that many people want to share their cuisine with people from outside their culture as a way to connect and to in a small way help those people better understand their identity.

Someone who opens a restaurant that expressly represents Ethiopian food is making an overet invitation for people to come and experience that cuisine.

It also goes a little way to helping someone like myself understand distinctions in Africa between people from different geographic areas or cultures.

I certainly will not be going to Mahider Ethiopian to gawk at the employees, or mock their culture or to demean them. I will be going so that I can experience a type of cuisine that I haven't had before and support directly a locally owned African American business.
I certainly don't share Al's views of you regarding this subject, but it is a little odd that you created a thread titled Black History Month and then ask a question about restaurants (having nothing to do with history) when there is a perfectly good and current thread titled Restaurants.
 
I think grouping people by skin color is gross. It isn’t noble or empathetic and I won’t pretend that it is.
I’m glad you think it’s gross. Unfortunately people do it all the time and hundreds of millions of lives have been disadvantaged because of people doing it.

I don’t know think we can fix it by ignoring that it happened.
 
Would you take these comments the same if they were said by Martin Freeman?
Yes. Exactly the same because I am not a racist. I don't have to break out a WWII German skin color chart to decide what type of racial discrimination to apply.
 
I’m glad you think it’s gross. Unfortunately people do it all the time...
...including right here in this thread. Recognizing past racial discrimination is not a justification for perpetuating racial discrimination today. "We need to have racism today because to not be racists would be racist for ignoring past racism" is just a thing racists say to justify themselves. Here's an idea: If you don't like racism then be the change you want to see and stop being racist. That is effectively what Morgan Freeman voiced and was condemned for. I'm with Morgan Freeman on that.
 
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...including right here in this thread. Recognizing past racial discrimination is not a justification for perpetuating racial discrimination today. "We need to have racism today because to not be racists would be racist for ignoring past racism" is just a thing racists say to justify themselves. Here's an idea: If you don't like racism then be the change you want to see and stop being racist. That is effectively what Morgan Freeman voiced and was condemned for. I'm with Morgan Freeman on that.
How do you define racism?
 
Recognizing past racial discrimination is not a justification for perpetuating racial discrimination today.
Ignoring past discrimination is sufficient for perpetuating racial discrimination.

"We need to have racism today because to not be racists would be racist for ignoring past racism" is just a thing racists say to justify themselves.
From what I have seen, most racists go around telling everyone they are not racist.

Here's an idea: If you don't like racism then be the change you want to see and stop being racist. That is effectively what Morgan Freeman voiced and was condemned for. I'm with Morgan Freeman on that.
I'm surprised you didn't throw in "content of your character".

So, why should we take Freeman's word for it?
 
Morgan Freeman is as entitled to his opinion as we all are. I'm actually grateful that his life experiences have allowed him to have this opinion. Here's mine.

If you are going to understand any culture, ignoring it exists is not the way to go about it.

How do you learn to understand a culture that you are not familiar with? You go to the places where that culture is celebrated (like restaurants, for example). You read books by authors from and about that group. You talk to actual human beings about their culture. You learn about their history by learning about their now.

It is not a good idea to assume that someone whose skin is a certain shade considers themselves this or that. Assumptions about people is the basis of racism, not in the trying to learn and understand.

We will never live in a world where people aren't placed into groups based on many things, like sex, nationality, religious affiliation, etc. We do not need a homogenized world. We need to understand differences and accept them and treat them equally. We are nowhere close to that.

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And about Black History Month. I love it for many reasons. Some are:

1. It matters to the Jazz players. And they matter to me.

2. I was 59 years old before I heard of the Tulsa Massacre and of Juneteenth, etc. Black history may be American history, but it sure wasn't taught in my schools growing up. I learned white history almost exclusively.

3. A few years ago, I realized that my reading was almost all written by white authors. While I try to branch out all year, I love having a month where I focus on black authors, including history and contemporary views. (I also do the same for other cultural appreciation months).

Sure, black history month may not matter to all who identify as black, but maybe it should matter to many more of us who identify as something else.

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And about Black History Month. I love it for many reasons. Some are:

1. It matters to the Jazz players. And they matter to me.

2. I was 59 years old before I heard of the Tulsa Massacre and of Juneteenth, etc. Black history may be American history, but it sure wasn't taught in my schools growing up. I learned white history almost exclusively.

3. A few years ago, I realized that my reading was almost all written by white authors. While I try to branch out all year, I love having a month where I focus on black authors, including history and contemporary views. (I also do the same for other cultural appreciation months).

Sure, black history month may not matter to all who identify as black, but maybe it should matter to many more of us who identify as something else.

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Very good post.


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